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My take on the suggestions, so far:

Lorenzo: Ou, with La mentita, stands out for me from your three tracks: original energetic and captivating. Tredici Bacci sound a bit more polished; nice except for the "singer". I'm a bit underwhelmed by the Springsteen track, nice to hear, but rather "standard", to my ears.

Christian: A couple of months ago I saw (excerpts of) a recent concert by The Cure broadcast on French television. I couldn't really stand it for a long time, because it all came over as one big mess of sound - I got back to it regularly, though. Hearing this track, I guess it is part of the The Cure sound. It starts off nicely, but when they're all playing together it becomes a big sound mess again, to me, and a bit too monotonous. Although music-wise I normally prefer The Cure, here I prefer the Killing Joke video. But from your three I'd Go with PSB, music wise and sound wise.

suitkees: Limbo should become the National Anthem of a country, but Têtes Raides should write one for France, to get rid of that hideous Marseillaise. Hildur plays the halldorophone: a kind of cello with an electronic feedback component for each string, which makes this sound like more than just a cello, whether you like it or not.

JD: Busker sound quite good, except maybe for the singer. Makes me think a bit of The Nice and early Yes. Joe Jackson's acapella piece has been brought forward before in one of these polls. Always nice to hear, but also very well known. Grand Funk bring actually Grand bluesy Rock 'n Roll. Not bad, very energetic, but maybe a bit too straightforward for my ears despite some wonderful passages in the second - jamming - part of the song. I prefer the Lee Michaels track here, great organ and emotionally more engaging.

Mila: I saw this Lamomali concert aired on TV a couple of years ago - was wonderful to see and hear. And this is a beautiful song; love it! Chedid/M is of course a very well known artist here (and the whole Chedid family, actually). Max Raabe with some mellow big band music to bring a funny text. Nice to hear, but not earth shaking. I find the Sara Renar track quite intriguing; accessable electro pop/rock with a nice sonic stance. I always hated hand claps coming from a drum machine and I think her music could become much more interesting if she would leave those things to the real drummer. A bit short, actually; I would have liked a bit more development. The Arthur Hnatek Trio brings for me the most interesting track, next to Lamomali. Musically speaking these two are the stand outs for me.

George: Cheap Trick, famous! But we don't hear them that often. Nice raw rock track, although the drummer sounds a bit too much like a wood chopper... I had forgotten how great the singer is! I remember Band Maid from an earlier poll. Not really my music, but super tight - I guess live this must be a great experience. Dongyang Gozupa - what's this? Eastern trad-folk metal, or the Dulcimer version of ELP? Whatever, it is a great listen and a real virtuosity on that dulcimer. My preferred one of the batch, easily.

Robert: Ow, this is a kind of nostalgia trip. A wonderful rendition of this Little River Band hit from the 70s. I must say I had forgotten about this band, but this is a great reminder. Jemig, dat is lang geleden dat ik wat van De Kast gehoord heb. This was quite a big hit in the Netherlands in the 90s. I never dived more into this band but they had some decent radio play in those days. Great song, actually, wonderful Nederpop. This was also used in a film, wasn't it? And then this exceptional Velvet Underground track. Cale is in top form here. Musically easily, for me, the most interesting of the three. Great selection!

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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:


Christian: A couple of months ago I saw (excerpts of) a recent concert by The Cure broadcast on French television. I couldn't really stand it for a long time, because it all came over as one big mess of sound - I got back to it regularly, though. Hearing this track, I guess it is part of the The Cure sound. It starts off nicely, but when they're all playing together it becomes a big sound mess again, to me, and a bit too monotonous. 

Not wrong, it has become something of a trademark that they sound very "thick", live and also often on albums. Often I don't like that (many seem to think Disintegration is their best album and for sure it has good songs, but I'd have preferred a leaner sound on that for sure), but in this particular song it works well for me (as well as "End").

In the early days they sounded much leaner. The studio version of this was the first song I heard of them and they won me over immediately with it. Could have suggested that as a "short live" contribution here.



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^ Yes, that's how I prefer The Cure.

The A.R. & Machines track is quite intriguing, BTW. A pity that the audience recording does not do it real justice, but it raised my curiosity (didn't hear of him/them before).

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[QUOTE=Mila-13]

Lamomali: Manitoumani


Lamomali is a project by French rock musician Matthieu Chedid in collaboration with various Malian artists, esp. singer-songwriter Fatoumata Diawara, the great kora player Toumani Diabaté and his son Sidiki Diabaté.- There is a longer version of the same song, but I prefer this one, esp. the video.

Max Raabe & Palast Orchester: Küssen kann man nicht alleine



M.R. is a German musician and band leader. His music is strongly inspired by German-language Schlager and chansons from the 1920s and 1930s, accompanied by humorous and witty lyrics. The title of this song translates to 'You Cannot Kiss by Yourself'. Here Raabe is joined by German singer Namika. English Lyrics

Sara Renar: Jesen

S.R. is a singer-songwriter from Zagreb, Croatia. Her music style can be described as experimental/indie/pop mixing subtle melodies with electronic and theatrical elements. English song title: Autumn/Fall.

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I might replace the first song with this one:.

Arthur Hnatek Trio: Monotonous


A.H. is a young emerging Swiss jazz musician. He has performed at La Cigale (Paris), Berghain Kantine in Berlin or Montreux Jazz Festival to name just a few.- The video was filmed during a sunrise concert at Les Aubes festival in Geneva (July 2020).- This is a calm, meditative piece that fits nicely the atmosphere of the venue, located on the shore of Lake Geneva.- The title of the piece is somewhat misleading by the way.

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p.s. I'm on a business trip atm so I barely had time to look for songs, esp. because three are required this time, also in different lengths. I realise that I am not the only person here who had some difficulties with this :P

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Lamomali: African song, sung in French, works on the repetition of sounds and rhythm progression, with an electric guitar solo that makes it more European. It does not excite me. But I recognise that for some it can be enthralling.


MR & PO: German Cabaret? Almost vaudeville, nice, shame the orchestral arrangement is too much in the background. In my opinion the weakest piece in this selection.


Sara Renar: these videos distract me from the music! Couldn't the singer wear a burka? I'd be more careful!!! Cute atmospheric song, with a nice chorus. My personal favourite.


AH Trio: abstract and very dissonant avant-garde jazz, a bit monotonous for my taste (lots of drums, the melody isnt developed), but we are talking about a quality track, with ambition, it's a candidate for the Grand Prix de la Critique (which it competes with Kees' piece).







Edited by jamesbaldwin - November 20 2022 at 12:48
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@Lorenzo, thanks for the comments! Btw. there is no e-guitar in the African track, at least not as a lead instrument. It is an amplified acoustic guitar and a kora, a stringed instrument used extensively in West Africa. Did you mix things up or do you rather need a pair of new headphones or glasses? The video is of top quality. LOL



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Originally posted by Mila-13 Mila-13 wrote:

@Lorenzo, thanks for the comments! Btw. there is no e-guitar in the African track, at least not as a lead instrument. It is an amplified acoustic guitar and a kora, a stringed instrument used extensively in West Africa. Did you mix things up or do you rather need a pair of new headphones or glasses? The video is of top quality. LOL


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JD gives us two pieces of 'classic' rock that I already knew, the first, by Joe Jackson, doesn't convince me: the a cappella singing fails to give us the rhythm and ramshackle intonation of the original studio song, 
The second is the
Long piece: 
The GF's Jam has a very interesting instrumental interlude in the second part of the song, a mixture of boogie and country, which makes me clearly prefer it to Lee Michaels': if you choose this song, it is a candidate for my vote.

I prefer Busker's song to Joe Jackson's, it has a nice rhythm and a very charming organ sound.


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Tomorrow (Monday) is the last day to participate in this poll: if an eighth forumist wants to join us, proposing his three songs!

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Cheap Trick: despite its fame, I have practically never listened to this band. Good melodic pop-rock with hard-sounding guitars. I must say that the drummer has the face of an intellectual. 

Band-Maid: Oh, dear George, fantastic heavy metal song, but especially I could fall in love with the singer here, it hurts me to see women like this, it gives me erotic imaginations... (also the guitarist, in that dress... ) Candidate

DG: although the percussionist doesn't have the charm of the previous girls, her technique is remarkable: this instrumental piece has some wonderful moments, even if it doesn't seem to me to be well blended as sound and composition. However, another candidate


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John Cale re-proposes a Velvet Underground classic arranged very well (splendid sound of electric viola and electric guitar), candidate, 


De Kast: sweet, romantic melodic song, oh how nice to be young!

Little River Band: never heard of them, I thought they were from California, what nice relaxing music! Candidate.
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@Christian
Tredici Bacci (mispronounced name: Tredici Baci is the correct form) is a very interesting Italian-American group, while Ou, whom I listen to on spotify, I don't know if they are Italian.


@Mila, have you chosen your trio?
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I don't really think my selection match up to the time restrictions you proposed, but it is what it is.

My three are...

1 - BUSKER - Lord Of The Rings
(Listed on PA) a short one (2:59 Min)

2 - Grand Funk - Inside Looking Out
(Not Listed on PA) A Long One (12:53 min)

3 - Lee Michaels - Hold on to Freedom
(Not Listed on PA) A Med/Long One (10:55 min)

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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

I don't really think my selection match up to the time restrictions you proposed, but it is what it is.

My three are...

1 - BUSKER - Lord Of The Rings
(Listed on PA) a short one (2:59 Min)

2 - Grand Funk - Inside Looking Out
(Not Listed on PA) A Long One (12:53 min)

3 - Lee Michaels - Hold on to Freedom
(Not Listed on PA) A Med/Long One (10:55 min)



Well, in fact it does not respect the rules.

But, ok.

I'll combine n. 1 and n.3 in the short songs, and I'll put n. 2 in the long songs.


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The Doors: The End


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The Vote is open, 

Choose:

- 4 songs taken from the medium-short songs
- 2 songs taken from the long songs

(Dont choose the songs you have nominated)
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My podium



- Short songs:

1) Band Maid - Play

2) Têtes Raides - Patalo

3) John Cale - Venus in Furs

4) Sara Renar - Jesen


Honorable mentions:

5) Lamomali - Manitoumani 

6) Cheap Trick - Southern Girls



- Long songs:


1) Cure: Open

2) Dongyang Gozupa - Cycle


Honorable mention:

3) Arthur Hnatek Trio: Monotonous



Grand Prize of the Critic: Hildur Guðnadóttir - Composition for halldorophone #5

Grand Prize of the Public: 
Grand Funk - Inside Looking Out




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Probably too many threads were brought up in the meantime; I hadn't seen this on the Latest Posts list for quite a while.
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During the week I don't have the right listening facilities nor really the time at hand, so I come to this mainly in the weekends...

So, today I listened to the songs/tracks again and I stick with my comments, mostly.
My choices are, for the short songs:
- Ou - La Mentita
- Public Service Broadcasting - Go!
- Buster - Lord Of The Rings
- John Cale - Venus In Furs

Even four votes appears not enough, because I actually also wanted to vote for Lamomali - Manitoumani...

My choices for the long songs:
- Arthur Hnatek Trio: Monotonous
- Dongyang Gozupa - Cycle (in stiff competition with The Little River Band)


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Hmm yeah. As always hard to choose. These are my voting candidates for the short songs: Ou, Tredici Bacci, Fischer-Z, Buster, Lamomali, Band Maid, John Cale. That's seven, I'm afraid. The long songs:  Hildur Guðnadóttir, Arthur Hnatek Trio, Dongyang Gozupa.
The best rule to put some order into this is to vote for one per participant. That leaves me with Ou (although I really loved Tredici Bacci when relistening), Buster, and John Cale for the short songs, and Arthur Hnatek's trio for the long ones. Now I have to decide for Kees & George between Fischer-Z & Dongyang Gozupa or Hildur Guðnadóttir & Band Maid. Still a hard one. I think I just about prefer the first pair of these. 
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