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How does this not look good for the USA? I think the US is capable of beating Iran and also, what you need to look at is goal difference (in a tiebreaker) instead of how many goals a country has scored in order to progress to the knockout stages.

This actually puts less pressure on the USA to perform against England because the US will be able to advance to the knockout stages with just a straight win against the Iranians. Everyone knows that the Welsh will most likely lose to England. We will see...
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Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

How does this not look good for the USA? I think the US is capable of beating Iran and also, what you need to look at is goal difference (in a tiebreaker) instead of how many goals a country has scored in order to progress to the knockout stages.

This actually puts less pressure on the USA to perform against England because the US will be able to advance to the knockout stages with just a straight win against the Iranians. Everyone knows that the Welsh will most likely lose to England. We will see...
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With one issue ... if England wins, they can give away the Wales game with a tie ... and at that point I think the USA will have to do a better job of taking down Iran ... and I'm not sure they USA can do that, specially if they lose to England. By then the lack of ability and desire will have been shown and the coach that Iran has is no Berhalter, and he will punish the USA like he did the Wales team. Queiroz is a dangerous coach ... and he has WC experience and silverware! Betting against him, is not a good idea, and I think that Wales thought they could play their easy game like the one against the USA and pull out a goal during the game ... and in the end, Iran wanted it more than Wales!

I really see the issue of the American players have ... not playing together enough to help each other better, and while this is an issue, having the youngsters might not be a bad thing, but they don't know how to help each other and probably think ... like the coach ... that the whole thing is dependent on the formation ... AND IT IS NOT. It is all based on the players! AND, the quicker thinking that the formations usually take out!

I'm the worst at predictions, but I'm not sure that the USA can even beat Iran at this point. We can't beat Wales and they just got taken apart ... and we think we can beat the desire that Iran showed in that game? I doubt it. A loss, bad or not, to England means get ready for the trip home! If England wins, today, it will mean that Iran has to beat the USA ... but I'm not sure the USA is a good team to fight from behind! The holes in the defense and specially midfield, will show up quickly ... and Reyna is not on the field at the start today it looks like, if only Haji is on. And Josh Sargent was not the problem ... he passed the ball to Pulisic that passed for the score. Sargent is a good passer and has assists. Haji may have a few scores, but we need assists up front to help as much as possible. 

Interesting choice, but not sure it is the right one. Would love to be wrong here, specially is Haji scores and makes things difficult for England, but I don't think we know how to bring the ball forward and take advantage of England ... we don't go after the open spaces to get better chances at a disorganized defense. We always think we have to play the same TANK game that the previous coach loved!


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England are not giving away a game to Wales,..... History.
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England should do it, Wales are not strong enough. Between USA and Iran it's wide open. Iran in particular have shown two very different faces; which of them will turn up next time? The USA can for sure look good, but can they score the goal more that they need? No idea. I'd probably put just more than 50% probability on it, but not much more.
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No. Outrageous that such a place should be hosting it.
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

England should do it, Wales are not strong enough. Between USA and Iran it's wide open. Iran in particular have shown two very different faces; which of them will turn up next time? The USA can for sure look good, but can they score the goal more that they need? No idea. I'd probably put just more than 50% probability on it, but not much more.

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England only needs  a tie to move forward. I think Wales will get beat.

The USA/Iran tilt is the scary one ... which team shows up, right? If the USA defense shows up like they did against England, we might have a chance, but the USA is not very good at moving the ball forward, and FAST, to take advantage of a disorganized defense. This is one of the secrets of a lot of great players, who take advantage of the holes left open more often than not. I don't see why the USA with all its technology, can not see that and help the players with it. The players leave the holes open and behind more often than not because we have to follow the FORMAT ... which is not showing the flexibility to move forward faster and when it should. I think Iran can create problems for the USA in that area, assuming the USA does not score first ... which I think the best thing that ever could happen is to be up 2-0 at half time.

I don't really see it. We're too pragmatic and too stuck on a format!
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I'm predicting that the USA will beat Iran and go to the knockout rounds. Wales is going home.

Two great matches coming up! France Denmark! Argentina Mexico! Can Denmark repeat beating France like they did in the Nations League?! Will Messi be knocked out of the tournament by Mexico? We will see! Tongue
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Both the USA and England should have moved the ball much more quickly. That's both teams natural game. Ridiculously slow yesterday. Foden has to start for England next game.
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No. Outrageous that such a place should be hosting it.

This is of course true, however it doesn't help much in my view to not view and discuss the football.
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It was a closer game than I could have hoped for, but in the end it was a deserved victory for France. I had hoped for the draw after Christensen scored, but alas it wasnīt to be. Now itīll be a nerve wrecking final against Australia, and hopefully France wonīt play with too many B-grade players in their game against Tunesia.


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I lost a long post. Geek

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I'm happy for Messi. He scored a very critical goal. I think he deserves to be remembered well after his retirement, and this tournament is a fantastic opportunity for that. I wish that he will be the leading actor who could carry Argentina to further stages, and hopefully to the finals where they can achieve to be the champions. It shall not be easy, I know. Brazil appears to be stronger than Argentina, and there are various other powerful teams. Actually, I have no guesses... It is much more fun for me to follow fictional works and sports events without making any predictions. Party
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Both the USA and England should have moved the ball much more quickly. That's both teams natural game. Ridiculously slow yesterday. Foden has to start for England next game.

So right.  Both teams need to energize their game.  
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

No. Outrageous that such a place should be hosting it.

This is of course true, however it doesn't help much in my view to not view and discuss the football.

Germany's opening game in the 2018 World Cup was watched by 25.9 million (Germans) - while their opening game in this World Cup was watched by 9.2 millions. If alarming numbers such as these keep coming in, those who spent ridiculous sums of money for the broadcasting rights will end up with a financial loss. And that will obviously make a difference.
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

No. Outrageous that such a place should be hosting it.

This is of course true, however it doesn't help much in my view to not view and discuss the football.

Germany's opening game in the 2018 World Cup was watched by 25.9 million (Germans) - while their opening game in this World Cup was watched by 9.2 millions. If alarming numbers such as these keep coming in, those who spent ridiculous sums of money for the broadcasting rights will end up with a financial loss. And that will obviously make a difference.

This is correct, but it doesn't matter for me personally as long as my personal TV is not counted. The other thing is that Germany's opening game this time was at a time most people would be working.


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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

No. Outrageous that such a place should be hosting it.

This is of course true, however it doesn't help much in my view to not view and discuss the football.

Germany's opening game in the 2018 World Cup was watched by 25.9 million (Germans) - while their opening game in this World Cup was watched by 9.2 millions. If alarming numbers such as these keep coming in, those who spent ridiculous sums of money for the broadcasting rights will end up with a financial loss. And that will obviously make a difference.

This is correct, but it doesn't matter for me personally as long as my personal TV is not counted. The other thing is that Germany's opening game this time was at a time most people would be working.
I didn't mean to make it into a personal matter, but I'm sure not viewing actually helps - if the numbers are big enough. And I suspect they will be, in the western world.
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

No. Outrageous that such a place should be hosting it.

This is of course true, however it doesn't help much in my view to not view and discuss the football.

Germany's opening game in the 2018 World Cup was watched by 25.9 million (Germans) - while their opening game in this World Cup was watched by 9.2 millions. If alarming numbers such as these keep coming in, those who spent ridiculous sums of money for the broadcasting rights will end up with a financial loss. And that will obviously make a difference.

This is correct, but it doesn't matter for me personally as long as my personal TV is not counted. The other thing is that Germany's opening game this time was at a time most people would be working.
I didn't mean to make it into a personal matter, but I'm sure not viewing actually helps - if the numbers are big enough. And I suspect they will be, in the western world.

Not viewing is only even picked up if you are in one of the few thousand "representative" households that are counted.


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Football is just too much fun for me to ignore... now Germany can even still go through if they lose to Spain, namely if they beat Costa Rica with more than one goal difference, and Spain beats Japan on the last day. Japan didn't deserve this though.
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Japan beat Germany, and then have lost to Costa Rica.

Costa Rica had been terminated by Spain (0-7).

Let's see how the Germany vs. Spain game will be!
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

No. Outrageous that such a place should be hosting it.

This is of course true, however it doesn't help much in my view to not view and discuss the football.

Germany's opening game in the 2018 World Cup was watched by 25.9 million (Germans) - while their opening game in this World Cup was watched by 9.2 millions. If alarming numbers such as these keep coming in, those who spent ridiculous sums of money for the broadcasting rights will end up with a financial loss. And that will obviously make a difference.

This is correct, but it doesn't matter for me personally as long as my personal TV is not counted. The other thing is that Germany's opening game this time was at a time most people would be working.
I didn't mean to make it into a personal matter, but I'm sure not viewing actually helps - if the numbers are big enough. And I suspect they will be, in the western world.

Not viewing is only even picked up if you are in one of the few thousand "representative" households that are counted.
I'm not asking you not to watch. I'm only arguing against your general argument which was "it doesn't help much in my view to not view and discuss the football" - which I'm certain it does. I'm also certain those who invest billions for the World Cup-rights has the tools they need to find out if (enough) people are watching or not.   
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

I'm not asking you not to watch. I'm only arguing against your general argument which was "it doesn't help much in my view to not view and discuss the football" - which I'm certain it does. I'm also certain those who invest billions for the World Cup-rights has the tools they need to find out if (enough) people are watching or not.   

Is that a conspiracy theory? Well they could spy on this forum, but they can't spy on my TV. Nobody who hasn't explicitly agreed on being measured will contribute to the measured viewing figures. Read a bit about audience measurement. It's all done on samples, and if you're not part of the sample, you can do what you want and nobody will know. (And also, nobody will know if you boycott.)
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