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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Tuzvihar Tuzvihar wrote:

^ I sent a PM to Mariusz Duda of Riverside (we're friends on Facebook) and he didn't seem to be happy about this... He replied that they will report it to the label. So I don't think that person has a legitimate copy (promo)...


That's an overreaction.

I was hoping one of the admins will nuke the review, that's why I brought the issue to everyone's attention. That's all. 


Maybe. But that was just to be sure that this person doesn't have a legitimate promo.
One of the admins will eventually remove it, I'm sure... And suspend the user.

Edited by Tuzvihar - November 26 2022 at 13:53
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Maybe. But that was just to be sure that this person doesn't have a legitimate promo.

I think even someone with an official promo copy should not review the album so early. The album is out in two months!!!! Confused
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Tuzvihar Tuzvihar wrote:


Maybe. But that was just to be sure that this person doesn't have a legitimate promo.

I think even someone with an official promo copy should not review the album so early. The album is out in two months!!!! Confused

If it was a legitimate copy, then the label, distributor, whoever should have specified precisely when they wanted publicity and reviews. That is the way it works. This is not the first time that we have had ratings or reviews posted on albums extremely prematurely.
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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Tuzvihar Tuzvihar wrote:


Maybe. But that was just to be sure that this person doesn't have a legitimate promo.

I think even someone with an official promo copy should not review the album so early. The album is out in two months!!!! Confused

If it was a legitimate copy, then the label, distributor, whoever should have specified precisely when they wanted publicity and reviews. That is the way it works. This is not the first time that we have had ratings or reviews posted on albums extremely prematurely.

Maybe, but I've seen its rarely the case. For example on the metal site I hang out sometimes, the collaborators/staff are reviewing upcoming releases first, days before a release or the day of its official release, but not months. (Also staff checks out user reviews and decide if they're worth publishing or not which seems to work fine Stern Smile). But two months seems just way too early. Also the Riverside album has already got some ratings. It means either the album has leaked or possibly trolling. 


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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Tuzvihar Tuzvihar wrote:


Maybe. But that was just to be sure that this person doesn't have a legitimate promo.

I think even someone with an official promo copy should not review the album so early. The album is out in two months!!!! Confused

If it was a legitimate copy, then the label, distributor, whoever should have specified precisely when they wanted publicity and reviews. That is the way it works. This is not the first time that we have had ratings or reviews posted on albums extremely prematurely.

Maybe, but I've seen its rarely the case. For example on the metal site I hang out sometimes, the collaborators/staff are reviewing upcoming releases first, days before a release or the day of its official release, but not months. (Also staff checks out user reviews and decide if they're worth publishing or not which seems to work fine Stern Smile). But two months seems just way too early. Also the Riverside album has already got some ratings already. It means either the album has leaked or possibly trolling. 

Yes, there will be controls on some sites, and therein lies a problem with PA. There are very strict controls here on who or what is added and where (sometimes in a ridiculous fashion), but none whatsoever on a review or rating until after the event and, thus, when the reputational damage has been done.

If there ever is any reboot of this old site, that is a control which needs implementing.
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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:


Yes, there will be controls on some sites, and therein lies a problem with PA. There are very strict controls here on who or what is added and where (sometimes in a ridiculous fashion), but none whatsoever on a review or rating until after the event and, thus, when the reputational damage has been done.

If there ever is any reboot of this old site, that is a control which needs implementing.

That's what the reviews report and rating abuse threads are for. Any abuse and trolling needs to be dealt with. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:


Yes, there will be controls on some sites, and therein lies a problem with PA. There are very strict controls here on who or what is added and where (sometimes in a ridiculous fashion), but none whatsoever on a review or rating until after the event and, thus, when the reputational damage has been done.

If there ever is any reboot of this old site, that is a control which needs implementing.

That's what the reviews report and rating abuse threads are for. Any abuse and trolling needs to be dealt with. 


That is not what I meant. There should be a block on reviews being published until an admin clears said review. It is that which will stop the reputational damage being done in the first place. I am aware that the present system of reviewing would mean a probably intolerable number of reviews being stuck in a queue. Therefore, you limit the number of people who can publish reviews on the site - how about prog reviewers and collabs etc. To become a prog reviewer, you would need to submit a sample of reviews to demonstrate that you can write well enough and can be trusted.

BTW, that would also stop reviews from being published prior to the album release date.
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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:


Yes, there will be controls on some sites, and therein lies a problem with PA. There are very strict controls here on who or what is added and where (sometimes in a ridiculous fashion), but none whatsoever on a review or rating until after the event and, thus, when the reputational damage has been done.

If there ever is any reboot of this old site, that is a control which needs implementing.

That's what the reviews report and rating abuse threads are for. Any abuse and trolling needs to be dealt with. 


That is not what I meant. There should be a block on reviews being published until an admin clears said review. It is that which will stop the reputational damage being done in the first place. I am aware that the present system of reviewing would mean a probably intolerable number of reviews being stuck in a queue. Therefore, you limit the number of people who can publish reviews on the site - how about prog reviewers and collabs etc. To become a prog reviewer, you would need to submit a sample of reviews to demonstrate that you can write well enough and can be trusted.

BTW, that would also stop reviews from being published prior to the album release date.

true, but until we have that (if ever), we only have review reporting thread and rating abuse reporting thread. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:


Yes, there will be controls on some sites, and therein lies a problem with PA. There are very strict controls here on who or what is added and where (sometimes in a ridiculous fashion), but none whatsoever on a review or rating until after the event and, thus, when the reputational damage has been done.

If there ever is any reboot of this old site, that is a control which needs implementing.

That's what the reviews report and rating abuse threads are for. Any abuse and trolling needs to be dealt with. 


That is not what I meant. There should be a block on reviews being published until an admin clears said review. It is that which will stop the reputational damage being done in the first place. I am aware that the present system of reviewing would mean a probably intolerable number of reviews being stuck in a queue. Therefore, you limit the number of people who can publish reviews on the site - how about prog reviewers and collabs etc. To become a prog reviewer, you would need to submit a sample of reviews to demonstrate that you can write well enough and can be trusted.

BTW, that would also stop reviews from being published prior to the album release date.

true, but until we have that (if ever), we only have review reporting thread and rating abuse reporting thread. 

Indeedy! In reality, I think that nothing will change on PA under the present ownership, which is a shame and also should not be taken as a cheap short against the owner. I don’t know him and I am sure he is a busy chap. The discussion points here, btw, are among the main reasons that I decided to branch out on my own.
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

There is a review for the Riverside album to be released late January 2023. Confused


It's still there... Where are you, dear admins?
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Originally posted by Tuzvihar Tuzvihar wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

There is a review for the Riverside album to be released late January 2023. Confused

It's still there... Where are you, dear admins?

I'll write Keishiro or Logan when i see them online. 
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^ Neither Keishiro nor I are on the site every day, but we do respond to PMs as soon as we can usually.

I deleted that Riverside review as well as five rating for it. I copied the review and will PM it to the reviewer while mentioning why I deleted it, and explain some other things. if it was a legitimate review of a promo copy, that should be stated and explained that it was with permission. Sometimes such reviews are off leaked demos, unfinal takes, and not full copies too.
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

^ Neither Keishiro nor I are on the site every day, but we do respond to PMs as soon as we can usually.

I deleted that Riverside review as well as five rating for it. I copied the review and will PM it to the reviewer while mentioning why I deleted it, and explain some other things. if it was a legitimate review of a promo copy, that should be stated and explained that it was with permission. Sometimes such reviews are off leaked demos, unfinal takes, and not full copies too.

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Thank you, guys.
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

^ Neither Keishiro nor I are on the site every day, but we do respond to PMs as soon as we can usually.


Are there only the two of you in the A Team currently?
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^ Yes, unfortunately B.A. Baracus (Mr. T) was not available. ;)
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^ Yes, unfortunately B.A. Baracus (Mr. T) was not available. ;)


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Edited by Tuzvihar - November 28 2022 at 11:04
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