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Which Albums by Rush are real Prog Rock? And Why? |
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mellotronwave 
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 Posted: November 15 2022 at 13:10 |
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None are prog, nevertheless lot are top !
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Posted: November 15 2022 at 12:30 |
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By-Tor and the Snow Dog isn't prog?
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moshkito
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Hi, It's much easier to do, when you have a drummer that can do a heck of a lot more than just keeping time ... they work on making sure they can augment the moments in the music, and that can not be done when the high schoolish drummer can only do the same beat and timing. That's about 50% of all the "progressive" bands, btw, when everything is "progressive" and the drumming is elementary, and sophomoric! |
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Posted: November 15 2022 at 07:19 |
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Never thought of Rush as a prog band.
Love their first three heavy rock albums, in the same way and to the same extent that I love Uriah Heep, Wishbone Ash and Deep Purple. Then 2112 and Hemispheres. Nothing else. I grew up in Ireland and London in the 60s and 70s, so my prog was there on the radio from day one and it didn't include Rush. Edited by LAM-SGC - November 15 2022 at 07:21 |
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verslibre
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Posted: November 14 2022 at 23:43 |
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Rush and Fly by Night aren't prog, not in the slightest. But they don't have to be.
Grace Under Pressure is my favorite Rush album. I don't care what it is. It's just awesome.
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Posted: November 14 2022 at 18:47 |
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The Rush debut album was a hard rock one. Then, after Neil Peart joined, their next two records, Fly By Night and Caress Of Steel are what I would call "borderline progressive" -leaning towards prog, but not full blown yet. Then came 2112, which was the real mccoy!
I consider all their later material to be progressive rock, even though I don't personally like any of their albums after Moving Pictures, but not because they weren't prog rock, but the later "style" of their music never appealed to me. Why are most of their albums progressive? Because after Neil Peart joined, they were a band that never shied away from complexity and intricasy in their music.
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Posted: November 14 2022 at 17:41 |
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Being a Rush fan for just over 40 years and reading and listening to countless interviews, they hardly lost direction. They've always been very clear that they made exactly the kind of music they wanted to make. It wasn't always a success but they did it their way. Usually, the people who don't like their 80s stuff are the ones who make claims about them losing direction or some such excuse. Just like Yes and King Crimson and Genesis changed with the 80s, so did Rush.
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Posted: November 14 2022 at 16:25 |
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Posted: November 14 2022 at 15:09 |
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Caress of Steel up to and including Hold Your Fire. On Fly by night only by tor and the snowdog is prog. On stuff after HYF only leave that thing alone and where's my thing and maybe monkey business and one or two other instrumentals. All my opinion of course.
I changed my mind about this because you can't call Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, ATTWT and Duke prog or 80s Yes and not the 80s Rush. If songs don't have to be complicated and have time signatures then there's no reason why that stuff can't be prog (and Pink Floyd too ;) ). Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - November 14 2022 at 15:14 |
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Hi, And not just prog influences I would imagine. I don't want to sit here and decide if band A or B or R ... belong to "Prog Rock or not. I really find it somewhat insulting, since most "artists" do their work for how they feel, not because it is this or that ... and the compositions came alive. I doubt, and I'm not sure that Geddy Lee would sit here and say "we're progressive rock" ... and then make us wonder what all this fuss is about. One of the grand ones, Mr. Robert Fripp has stated many times that he is not "progressive" and neither is his band ... and where is he and the band classified? In too many ways, he is about the composition and the expression of that composition broken down and rehearsed to a superlative point where it is way beyond the level of most cheap rock music that can only work off a riff and not develop the music from it, beyond the refrains that the audience recognizes and "remembers" about that song! And you and I know that KC has never been about that! And guess what ... we can remember many moments and I even cry when hearing "Starless and Bible Black" ... just some moments beyond time ... that makes the word and meaning totally worthless and wasteful. This is the best I can say about all this ... it's tough ... I feel bad for a band like RUSH that did so much fine work for so long, and some folks still have to "question" it's place within the musical halls of heaven. Gosh knows they deserve it and then some!
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Posted: November 14 2022 at 01:10 |
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'beauty' is an interesting concept when talking about music. Rush were a hard rock band who soaked up a lot of prog influences. Geddy's voice certainly was a tad annoying in the seventies and that's one reason I think their most elegant and beautiful tracks came in the 80's - Analog Kid and Subdivisions especially. In the seventies it was more about how fast could Peart play and how screechy Geddy could get but you still had some sublime prog moments, Xanadu springs to mind as well as La Villa Strangiato. Always worth noting that Rush became massively popular during a period when prog had all but been but wiped off the map. They were the only show in town for most of us!
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Posted: November 14 2022 at 00:57 |
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I don't think of "beauty" when I think of King crimson. They have more experimental, quirky songs than they have beautiful songs. I also don't think of "beauty" about the Rush sound either.
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Who says music always has to be "beautiful"?
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Posted: November 14 2022 at 00:23 |
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2112 (at least side A), a farewell to kings and hemispheres, great trilogy!
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Posted: July 30 2022 at 18:05 |
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One of my favorite bands, but I have always thought of them as more proggy than hard-core prog.
Fly by Night through Moving Pictures feature their proggy material. I have a soft spot for Prince By-Tor because a snow dog is my constant companion. I feel they lost direction, which made their catalog really spotty after Moving Pictures. Some of the later concert videos are great, though. |
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Posted: July 29 2022 at 21:07 |
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even in the 1980s rush was still a prog band
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at heart they were a hard rock band and that has been made clear by Lifeson. I think while they were experimenting with technology then they wee at least borderline prog. By Test For Echo there is no trace of prog although I still like what they are doing. The last album Clockwork Angels had some ambitious ideas and was arguably their only borderline prog album after about Presto but it's a bit weak unfortunately.
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What about 2112 then? Side two just sounds mostly like regular rock/hard rock to me. Not much prog on side two at all except for maybe the mellotron on tears.
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Posted: October 07 2019 at 13:25 |
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That works for me as well...though in the old days...I never really thought of them as prog at all....they were Rush . I didn't think of them as prog until I found this place. ;)
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This pretty much nails it. Sure there were prog leanings on Caress of Steel but the album as a whole wasn't prog.
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