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    Posted: October 31 2022 at 02:43
Up to 82, we were still producing and hearing some great New Wave, goth, synth, New Romantics and post-punk.
The vanilla started in 83. Then in 89 indie, dance and techno kicked in on a massive scale.
So the vanilla was really only 83 to 88.

Shout out though to 86, which for some reason was a huge year for alternative jangle rock and soft goth, The Fall, Cardiacs, The Cure etc. Maybe the pomposity of the dinosaurs at Live Aid in 85 put a rocket up the backsides of the "younger" artists (Tim Smith, Mark E Smith, Robert Smith) to pull out all the stops in 86 and give us something worth listening to.
Now you list your fav non-prog album from 86.
Go!



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Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

Up to 82, we were still producing and hearing some great New Wave, goth, synth, New Romantics and post-punk.
The vanilla started in 83. Then in 89 indie, dance and techno kicked in on a massive scale.
So the vanilla was really only 83 to 88.

Shout out though to 86, which for some reason was a huge year for alternative jangle rock and soft goth, The Fall, Cardiacs, The Cure etc. Maybe the pomposity of the dinosaurs at Live Aid in 85 put a rocket up the backsides of the "younger" artists (Tim Smith, Mark E Smith, Robert Smith) to pull out all the stops in 86 and give us something worth listening to.
Now you list your fav non-prog album from 86.
Go!




my take on the sh*t 80's sonics is that it really started in 84 and lasted until 90/1 or so. Of course things are as defined and definitive as that. For me, the crappy 80's production values +/- stopped with Grunge and the Swedish prog revival.

But I would agree that 86, 87 and 88 are the worst years ever. Not only was there very few prog, but audible pop albums were few and far between.  I really had to scratch hard for some of those years.

Not prog you say?

83:
Violent Femmes - s/t  (debut)
Talking heads - Speaking In Tongues
84:
Sade - Diamond Life
TH: Stop Making Sense
85:
The Cult - Love
Straits - BIA (the album that really got CD on the map)
Fogerty - Centrefield
86:
PG - So
87:
U2 - Joshua Tree
88:
U2 - Rattle & Hum
89:
Noir Désir - Veuillez Rendre L'Ame
Eat - Sell Me A God
90:
Lenny Krevitz - Let Love Rule (the album that reneged the 80's production values)
NY + CH - Ragged Glory

91:
Nevermind
Outback ) Dance The Devil Away
Blood Sex Suger Magik
Pearl Jam - Ten
Spin Doctors - Pocket Full of Kryptonite
U2 - Achtung Baby






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In relation to my aforementioned reference to 1986, my very first CD purchase, the same day I bought my very first CD player, was the first Genesis album released on CD, Invisible Touch. And it says a lot about mid-80s music (without dissing Genesis) that the best available CD on the wall in the high street music shop in 86 was Invisible Touch.

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My favourite non-prog album from 1986 could be XTC's Skylarking...
Paul Simon's Graceland is also worth mentioning, I guess (a bit overplayed, though).

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Best album of 1986 and one of the best of all time:
Astor Piazzolla - New Tango: Zero Hour / Nuevo Tango: Ora Zero
Further great non-prog albums:
Killing Joke - Brighter Than a Thousand Suns
Test Dept. - The Unacceptable Face of Freedom
The Comsat Angels - Chasing Shadows
The Art of Noise - In Visible Silence
Wim Mertens - A Man of No Fortune and With a Name to Come
Public Image Ltd. - album
Nik Kershaw - Radio Musicola

The XTC, a-ha, and Depeche Mode album are also fine.

Add to this the fabulous Talk Talk, which is listed here (and some others such as Univers Zero), and you have a pretty good year (I don't call it great as most artists listed by me have better albums in other years, but still...).

By the way, was there a Cure album in 86? rateyourmusic lists Head on the Door as 85 and Kiss Me... (which is certainly listworthy) as 87.


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Sone great stuff coming up for 86, Astor Piazzolla, XTC, Comsat Angels. And of course the Smiths, Elvis Costello and Siouxsie. And Iron Maiden.

The Cure in 86 for me was the gig I went to rather than an album.

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If you were a Zeuhl or Avant fan in the 80's it was a pretty good decade.
It was brutal though for me and by 1987 I felt my music was gone. The good part of that is that it moved me to search for new music which eventually led me to Prog.
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Not to mention the dopey, pink Spandexed, tiger-skin tanktopped, fem/glam that 'heavy metal' became between about '84 & '88 .
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Not to mention the dopey, pink Spandexed, tiger-skin tanktopped, fem/glam that 'heavy metal' became between about '84 & '88 .


Only some of it.
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I hated a lot coming out at that time but the few rays of sunshine were provided by Al Stewart (Last Days of The Century) , Enya (Watermark) and Kate Bush (Sensual World). In general I listened to a lot of New Age during the 80's inc Mark Isham, Stephen Caudel , Clair Hammill and the like. Pop music was pretty bad although I did (and still do) have a soft spot for China Crisis and Simple Minds (their latest album still sounds like their eighties stadium sound!) 
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Iron Maiden also put out some decent albums during that time.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Iron Maiden also put out some decent albums during that time.

only decent Confused, they were quite influential on a ton of other bands. 

Great decade for metal, heavy metal, US Power, the rise of speed & thrash, the early progressive metal and so on. I can't complain. 
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Originally posted by Mellotron Storm Mellotron Storm wrote:

If you were a Zeuhl or Avant fan in the 80's it was a pretty good decade.
It was brutal though for me and by 1987 I felt my music was gone. The good part of that is that it moved me to search for new music which eventually led me to Prog.

Yup, those empty times enticed me into discovering stuff outside mt comfort zone. 

I had moved to JR/F in the early 80's (around 81 when I dived into Caravanserai) and to 60's (mostly modal) jazz by 85/86 (the "new thing on Impulse8 label, like Coltrane, Mingus, Sanders, Tyner), but I didn't like most of the 80s jazz (which can +/- be reduced to "smooth jazz")


I still lent an ear out in pop/rock: see the list I made >> heard many more of course, but wasn't inticed into buying any, but that phenomena wan't new to me: I disliked most anything post-punk, new wave and electro-pop once it invaded the FM radios - so I didn't buy much of that "pap".
Unfortunately, I didn't know of RIO/avant and wasn't aware of those (early 80's) Zeuhl releases - I would discover RIO in the mid-90's.
Metal wasn't my thing anymore... I kind of burned out at the start of the NWOBHMB (last metal albums I liked where 81 or so >> I was 18 by then). Ditto for neo-prog: outside Script & The Wake, I quickly got disinterested.


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Edited by Sean Trane - November 01 2022 at 04:09
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R.E.M. - Lifes Rich Pageant
Metallica - Master of Puppets
Africa Bambaataa, Beasty Boys etc.

. . and a whole range of fantastic jazz and jazz fusion albums such as John Zorn's The Big Gundown, Zappa's Jazz from Hell, Pat Metheny's and Ornette Coleman's Song X. Various sountracks such as Hancock's Round Midnight and Quicy Jones' Color Purple.

Plus countless albums from the rest of the world such as Abdullah Ibrahim's Water from an Ancient Well. The 80's were the heyday of Australian rock. The same goes for German language rock, not necessarily belonging to the German new wave era, e.g Einstürzende Neubauten (1/2 Mensch, 1985).



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Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

Now you list your fav non-prog album from 86.

Two of them:

Cowboy Junkies  (CAN)  -  Whites off Earth Now  (1986)

    Metallica  (USA)  -  Master Of Puppets   (1986)
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One more which I don't consider to be quite Prog, either:

Crimson Glory  (USA)  -  Crimson Glory  (1986)
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


One more which I don't consider to be quite Prog, either:

Crimson Glory  (USA)  -  Crimson Glory  (1986)

the OP asked:
"Now you list your fav non-prog album from 86"
That's why the thread was moved to the general music section.

Also the early Crimson Glory is a good example for early progressive metal. So quite prog for many. 
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Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

Up to 82, we were still producing and hearing some great New Wave, goth, synth, New Romantics and post-punk. The vanilla started in 83. Then in 89 indie, dance and techno kicked in on a massive scale. So the vanilla was really only 83 to 88.
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Hi,

It is my opinion that we stopped listening to new material, and instead kept waiting for the old standbys to bring us something new, which was not exactly happening, and we should have known by the history of music for many hundred years that things change and become something else. However, we ended up thinking that God belong to a set of bands, and that the music died.

TIME NEVER WAS WHEN MUSIC, PROGRESSIVE OR NOT, ever died!

It is sad, that we think that everything has to be "the same" as it was in those few years, but that is unrealistic and not exactly what the history of the arts has EVER been about! I still don't understand, why we think that one period has to last forever, since it never has anyway!

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It is just so utterly strange that people prefer the music they grew up with. I'm now off to listen to some rap because I'm bored with Genesis. 
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