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Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

"big" in the original "big 4 of thrash" , meant popular, famous. 

So, would that include Anvil then? Big smile

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The Big 4 of thrash were Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer and Anthrax. 

Anvil were a heavy metal band, and not even that good in my humble opinion. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:


The Big 4 of thrash were Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer and Anthrax. 

Anvil were a heavy metal band, and not even that good in my humble opinion. 

You played a straight bat to my joke... I was trying to make you laugh...

I guess you've never seen 'The Story Of Anvil' about how they started out as a Thrash band around the same time, but unlike the Big 4, didn't make it big... it's quite funny and sad in equal measure, but the doc is without doubt the best thing they ever produced. 
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Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:


The Big 4 of thrash were Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer and Anthrax. 

Anvil were a heavy metal band, and not even that good in my humble opinion. 

You played a straight bat to my joke... I was trying to make you laugh...

I guess you've never seen 'The Story Of Anvil' about how they started out as a Thrash band around the same time, but unlike the Big 4, didn't make it big... it's quite funny and sad in equal measure, but the doc is without doubt the best thing they ever produced. 

oh, my bad then. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2022 at 15:17
Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:


The Big 4 of thrash were Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer and Anthrax. 

Anvil were a heavy metal band, and not even that good in my humble opinion. 

You played a straight bat to my joke... I was trying to make you laugh...

I guess you've never seen 'The Story Of Anvil' about how they started out as a Thrash band around the same time, but unlike the Big 4, didn't make it big... it's quite funny and sad in equal measure, but the doc is without doubt the best thing they ever produced. 

Love that film, nice that it comes up here! Big smile
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Love that film, nice that it comes up here! Big smile

It's oddly really quite affecting, isn't it?

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Big four of neo imo: Marillion, IQ, Pendragon, Pallas. I think if we extended it to five we could add Arena. Who would be the sixth one?
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Big four of neo imo: Marillion, IQ, Pendragon, Pallas. I think if we extended it to five we could add Arena. Who would be the sixth one?

Magenta! Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Big four of neo imo: Marillion, IQ, Pendragon, Pallas. I think if we extended it to five we could add Arena. Who would be the sixth one?

Twelfth Night
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Jaketejas Jaketejas wrote:

^ So, Yes with Trevor Rabin then?


Yes with everyone LOL


Great answer! All 20 +/- 2. I can't keep up with all the changes.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

any list without King Crimson and Pink Floyd will always seem very odd to me


My favourite band ever is Pink Floyd, and I do believe they are prog. Yet, I could understand some lists omitting them depending on which kind of prog is being represented... yet for the Big Six of prog they are certainly there for me (and for me, the Big Six is British prog of the 70's).
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Big four of neo imo: Marillion, IQ, Pendragon, Pallas. I think if we extended it to five we could add Arena. Who would be the sixth one?

Magenta! Thumbs Up

Not sure I consider them neo. How about Jadis instead? Wink
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Big Six?  

I know there are differences in UK/USA and generational approaches to this.
So, I want to say that in the 80s and 90s in the UK we spoke about the Big Five. I first came across the term Big Six only about ten years ago in a mag or on a forum.

And as a kid in secondary school in London in the 70s, we didn't even use the term Big 5, we just spoke about the top prog bands of the day:

ELP
Genesis
Jethro Tull
Pink Floyd
Yes

And it was always those five, but of course Mike Oldfield was always suggested by some instead of the "heavy-folk rock" band Jethro Tull or the "psych-pop" band Pink Floyd.

I have to touch on the subject of King Crimson of course, none of us in secondary school in London in the 70s who were listening to rock - from Led Zeppelin to Uriah Heep to ELO to the Sex Pistols - had any knowledge about King Crimson or Caravan or Gentle Giant, they just weren't on our prog rock and rock radar.
I'm sure other kids knew about them.      


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Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

Big Six?  

I know there are differences in UK/USA and generational approaches to this.
So, I want to say that in the 80s and 90s in the UK we spoke about the Big Five. I first came across the term Big Six only about ten years ago in a mag or on a forum.

And as a kid in secondary school in London in the 70s, we didn't even use the term Big 5, we just spoke about the top prog bands of the day:

ELP
Genesis
Jethro Tull
Pink Floyd
Yes

And it was always those five, but of course Mike Oldfield was always suggested by some instead of the "heavy-folk rock" band Jethro Tull or the "psych-pop" band Pink Floyd.

I have to touch on the subject of King Crimson of course, none of us in secondary school in London in the 70s who were listening to rock - from Led Zeppelin to Uriah Heep to ELO to the Sex Pistols - had any knowledge about King Crimson or Caravan or Gentle Giant, they just weren't on our prog rock and rock radar.
I'm sure other kids knew about them.      





That's interesting! I like how you explained the music scene and how you and your friend came to know prog through certain bands. For me, in the late 1970s and early 1980s, it just sort of seeped in from a variety of sources. Styx and Queen were played a lot in my house, but when I moved to south Texas, there were strong connections to Rush and Triumph, as San Antonio had a major role in expanding the influence of those bands. At the same time, some prog and prog-related bands were making it onto the Top40 lists and MTV, especially Pink Floyd, Asia, Saga, Yes (3.0), Emerson, Lake and Powell, etc., while classic rock stations played a lot of Jethro Tull, early Yes, and Pink Floyd. Retracing and rediscovering early work of these bands (or earlier renditions of these bands), I expanded my influences. Now, having a "Big Six" makes good sense if you were going to make a sort of tree with various branches. They would be at the trunk, whereas proto-prog is more like the roots. Big branches would be bands like Rush, Marillion, etc., and it has just expanded from there. I think of PA as this big tree.
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Big four of neo imo: Marillion, IQ, Pendragon, Pallas. I think if we extended it to five we could add Arena. Who would be the sixth one?
Close tie between Twelfth Night and Jadis.


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Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Big four of neo imo: Marillion, IQ, Pendragon, Pallas. I think if we extended it to five we could add Arena. Who would be the sixth one?
Close tie between Twelfth Night and Jadis.

I personally would probably say Jadis but there are a lot of other contenders including Galahad, Abel Ganz, Airbag, Mystery, Sylvan, Satellite, Frost* and on and on. Magenta too even though I initially thought of them as symph prog. However, they are considered neo on here so they get tossed in the bag also. Interestingly enough, It Bites are crossover prog on here even though I used to think of them as neo. They could be a contender also if it wasn't for them being crossover. 


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I like Ranker's Top 30 of Neo Prog:- http://www.ranker.com/list/neo-progressive-rock-bands-and-musicians/reference

01. Marillion
02. IQ 
03. Porcupine Tree
04. Pendragon
05. Steven Wilson
06. Arena
07. Pallas
08. Spock's Beard
09. The Pineapple Thief
10. Transatlantic
11. The Flower Kings
12. Galahad
13. Big Big Train
14. Gazpacho
15. Saga
16. Sylvan
17. Dream Theater
18. Jadis
19. The Tangent
20. Comedy of Errors
21. Magic Pie
22. Satellite
23. Starcastle
24. Clive Nolan
25. Anathema
26. Twelfth Night
27. Quidam
28. Edison's Children
29. Frost*
30. It Bites


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^It's a good list but not all of them are considered neo prog (at least not by what is considered neo prog on PA). 
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

I like Ranker's Top 30 of Neo Prog:- http://www.ranker.com/list/neo-progressive-rock-bands-and-musicians/reference

01. Marillion
02. IQ 
03. Porcupine Tree
04. Pendragon
05. Steven Wilson
06. Arena
07. Pallas
08. Spock's Beard
09. The Pineapple Thief
10. Transatlantic
11. The Flower Kings
12. Galahad
13. Big Big Train
14. Gazpacho
15. Saga
16. Sylvan
17. Dream Theater
18. Jadis
19. The Tangent
20. Comedy of Errors
21. Magic Pie
22. Satellite
23. Starcastle
24. Clive Nolan
25. Anathema
26. Twelfth Night
27. Quidam
28. Edison's Children
29. Frost*
30. It Bites

Saga and Starcastle???

Neo-Prog???
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^ I don't know about Starcastle, but Saga are also listed as Neo Prog on Wikipedia.

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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

^It's a good list but not all of them are considered neo prog (at least not by what is considered neo prog on PA). 

It's good to see Porcupine Tree at #3, even though they're not classed as Neo Prog here on PA. Thumbs Up

The only disappointment is there's no Magenta listed in the Top 30. Thumbs Down


Edited by Psychedelic Paul - October 28 2022 at 17:05
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