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dr wu23
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CDs rule! I love them, and never stopped buying them. Recently, I started collecting vinyl again, not because I want to put one over the other, but I find it fascinating to compare the remastering/remixing of lp and cd. Especially in classical music, as I love the older historical recordings very much.
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Stressed Cheese
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100% true. I think what happens sometimes is that people prefer vinyl and then feel the need to come up with some explanation as to why. It must be because it's more natural, because it has higher fidelity, because digital audio causes fatigue, etc. It's hard for some people to accept that they like something because of its shortcomings or quirks. Plus some people could use a reminder of things like the placebo effect and blind tests (not necessarily in vinyl vs digital, but audiophiles in general). The trouble is that just because sound preference is subjective, it doesn't mean that there aren't objective aspects that people just get wrong all the time. Fact remains that you can record a vinyl record to a digital file or CD and have it sound just as vinyl-y. And in fact, I'm a little surprised that record companies haven't cashed in on this...the warmth of vinyl pressed on a CD or available for streaming. There's plenty of people uploading vinyl rips to YT or file sharing sites, so there'd be a market for it. It'd be trivially easy to do, though there might be some discussion about the specific tweaks and imperfections if they were to do this. And I suppose record companies would profit more if people keep getting their analog vs digital facts wrong.
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JD
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David_D
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I can't imagine though that they "sound just as vinyl-y". |
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David_D
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talking about "absolutist" |
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chopper
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Hmm, could you tell the difference between the CD and the vinyl transferred to CD to sound "vinyl-y"? I suspect not, without a really high end system.
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David_D
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I have a really High-End system, but I've never listened to such a CD in question. I can tell though that I almost always can hear when I'm listening to a CD. |
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David_D
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But if to be quite serious, when the talk is in such a objectivistic way, I don't even really know what it means. I mean "it sound just as vinyl-y" for whom or measured by which instruments, or what is the exactly meaning of such statement? |
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chopper
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The only thing I can think of is it sounds like it's been scratched.
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David_D
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Okay, we skip the seriousness. |
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Stressed Cheese
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I have a few LP rips on my PC (and burned some to CD), and I found the process of cutting up the tracks and adding all the metadata already such a pain in the butt, I never bothered editing out pops and stuff. Then again, I suppose the metadata could just be added automatically. But when I get the chance to do so, I'll go through my LP collection to digitize everything. It would be cool to have those versions available for listening at any time I please.
I don't really know a better word than vinyl-y, I mean the warmth or whatever you wanna call it that you might hear when playing an LP won't be lost when ripping it to digital. Of course it depends on how pristine the record is, and the setup (e.g. using a different player to record than you usually use to listen), but the point is that the warmth will still be there in the rip. Warmth is a bit of a subjective term, but the fact it's recordable is objectively true. If that clears anything up. |
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I too have ripped my vinyl to digital files and did what JD has done using software, it is a tedious job. But those I have done sound better than the CD that I eventually bought later on. There are no adjectives to use they just sound better.
A huge factor is the ADC being used as well the DAC being used for playback. I 100% always know when I'm listening to a CD. I don't experience the same emotions from a CD that I do with the vinyl version, again no need for any audio adjectives, it's not there for me. I have waayyyyyy too many years of experience listening to both, on both low end systems as well higher end systems.
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Atavachron
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^ It makes sense in a less scientific way--- when a gemstone stylus
is pulling through grooves in vinyl producing measurable vibrations, it's going produce a different, more physical
sound.
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David_D
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If to be quite honest, I better not to tell what I have been thinking and feeling about the CD-medium for a lot of years before I learned to accept and live with it. Edited by David_D - October 10 2022 at 11:05 |
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David_D
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Now, I try to think more about its pluses than minuses compared to the pure analog vinyl medium. And when buying old albums on CD, I have best experience with the early AAD versions, not least mastered by Nimbus. Edited by David_D - October 11 2022 at 04:30 |
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chopper
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I was being serious.
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I have burned CDr through my hi-fi burner at real speed directly from the vinyl (it was the first two Maneige), and had buddies listen to it in a blind test, and they couldn't tell the difference between the two
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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David_D
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Then I keep on laughing. Or what does that exactly mean?
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