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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15568 |
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Good to hear that, as to me it could seem to be mocking.
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quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 18651 |
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Happy 40th, Compact Disc! I'll keep on buyin' ya!
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Catcher10 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17973 |
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Me2.......for a $1 each...
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15568 |
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To be fair, the term "analog" (like "digital") refers mostly to the form and not the content of "information", but I'd still say that my description is fair concerning the difference between digital and analog audio. And yes, digital audio results in the same kind of soundwaves as analog audio, but with the difference I described.
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quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
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I usually avoid these Analog vs. Digital debates as they always get very technical and move away from subjectivity, for starters. And there's no way to convince an analog listener that digital is just as good or better in some respects, and vice versa. But someone brought up listening fatigue with CDs. I don't know what type of DAC they have, amplifiers or speakers. And honestly, I don't care, as this is totally in the realm of the subjective. Shrill top end to some is magic, while to others it's anathema. My everyday playback is on older Krell mono blocks with a Krell pre amp. My speakers are electrostat Martin Logan Summit Xs. My subs are Definitive. As far as listening fatigue, yes it happens, but only when I play it at very low volumes. A standard feature with most class A systems. But cranked up to 50 to 70 dbs, or more, and I've hit the sweet spot, be it analog or digital. I find very little listening difference aside from variance in dynamic range when comparing the two. And I have no skin in the game. A well mixed and mastered CD is just as good to me as a well mixed and mastered vinyl record. With no preference or preconceived bias, they are both excellent sounding. But it comes down to the equipment they are played on, not so much the medium, in my humble opinion.
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Grumpyprogfan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 09 2019 Location: Kansas City Status: Offline Points: 12449 |
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^I agree with your opinion, and you have golden ears since you are a recording engineer wizard.
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
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No, I'm just a humble PA member with a little more experience.
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dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20671 |
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Well said Steve on your explanation above.
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 18651 |
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I could say the same, but then I'd be a liar. ![]() I've bought quite a few new CDs released this year alone. The soundtracks and Japanese reissues won't let up!
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Catcher10 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17973 |
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I hear ya man!! Reissues are coming out in droves, I need more money!!
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15568 |
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I agree with you, SteveG, that sound preferences are to large degree subjective, but I doubt that they're entirely subjective. I think that due to anatomy most people are most happy with the most natural sound. Anyway, the most important is surely how oneself experiences digital vs analog audio quality.
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Edited by SteveG - October 06 2022 at 12:38 |
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kenethlevine ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Prog-Folk Team Joined: December 06 2006 Location: New England Status: Offline Points: 9093 |
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I got my first player in late summer or fall 1990 because I was filling in on a folk music radio show in Vancouver and had discovered all sorts of new music not readily available on vinyl. I don't have very trained ears. I feel like a really loud rocking song can sound better on vinyl. But the convenience of CDs wins, and my tolerance for clicks and pops is nil at this point. Ultimately I sold all my CDs to declutter and just listen on itunes and other streaming...my hearing isn't great and mp3 or mp4 is fine for me at this point!
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15568 |
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Interesting to hear that you're a recording engineer, SteveG, and I can tell that in my young days, I got training as a Hi-Fi engineer, but I didn't work much with it. Edited by David_D - October 06 2022 at 17:29 |
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JD ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 07 2009 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 18446 |
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But I understand what you're meaning to say.
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Thank you for supporting independently produced music
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Catcher10 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17973 |
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I, like you, know what he means too...To me natural sound is what we hear when we walk outside and just listen to nature. Rooms of any kind have their own sound characters, as well so do instruments. An all acoustic quartet for example will sound different with different instruments and venues, so how do you define natural sound? All I say is I strive to hear my music as natural as possible, meaning I don't want gear that colors what is on the media I'm listening to, that's about as far as I can go. This is why Steve is right, a room full of people (not just audiophiles, but mainly digi'philes ![]() I've sat and listened to $400K audio systems and thought man that sounds krappy, but then the next one will simply blow you away and take you on a journey!
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15568 |
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It doesn't look to me that, what I've had in mind, is what you think, while this point of view of yours is more like the usual audiophile consideration. But yes, I guess it's better. |
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20436 |
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I'd say vinyls really started diminishing in the early 90's, but in certain areas (like UK) all rock albums were still released in Lp format throughout the 90's & 00's, albeit in small batches. I remember thinking that The Division Bell was the first Floyd album I owned as a CD - but the (double) vinyl was still available. Of course by that time, the resurgence of prog (the Scandinavian one, mostly) & grunge (in the wider sense) had made it that I was only buying CDs by the time, so it was a no-brainer for TDB. But back in the early 90's, the problem was reversed: plenty of music on vinyl unavailable in CD format... and when it was the case, it was often a disappointing rushed-job Only once smaller labels like Repertoire started releasing unearthed 70's gems that I really made CD my only acquisition option.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 18651 |
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Dunno bout you guyz but I'm putting together another CD hors d'oeuvre!
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I prophesy disaster ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 31 2017 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 4919 |
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My first CD, purchased in 1992, was a 10cc compilation album.
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