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Originally posted by Mila-13 Mila-13 wrote:


Ideal is one of the most important and seminal representatives of the German new wave era (Neue Deutsche Welle ). Their frontwoman, Annette Humpe is to date one of the most renowned music producers in Germany. @ Christian, did you bring them recently, I can't remember?


I had Eiszeit in the Rocking Ladies poll.
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The 1990s:

I associate the 90s with house dance music and clubbing -- not seals or anything horrid, but going to night clubs -- I even DJed a bit and worked as a bartender in a club for a while (n Australia at first). I also taught children and teens in the 90s, mostly in Japan, but not at the same time as any bartending or DJ work. It was an awesome decade for me. Much of the music was off-kilter and kind of disturbing (at least when I DJed). This is a real oddity from Swans, a dark, perverse, disturbing dance track.

Swans - Volcano (off SOundtracks for the Blind - 1996) Note: adult themes.



The 2000s:

Various acts who had been going the trip hop roots had been moving away from that into the 2000s to a more "direct" sound. Post-industrial experimental rock was in, and a more modern-sounding take on Krautrock grooves was gaining ground (the Krautrock sound really came back in the 90s).

Portishead - Silence (off Third - 2008)


The 2010s:

In the 2010s I notice that a lot of my favourites are of the Neoclassical Darkwave ilk I like atmosheric music of any decade, but these kind of kinds of dark industrial and neocalssical sounds seem very prevalent in the 2010s.

Linga Ignota - May Failure Be Your Noose (off Caligula - 2019) Strong warning: use of the F word in angry sexual manner (I would not play this out loud amongst my family, and if anyone wants to skip this track for that reason even if nominated, feel free).



Yes, I had mentioned a Portishead track earlier, and in an earlier Interactive Poll, and that Lingua Ignota I posted in another one of my polls recently. I love Swans, but normally I would not highlight this oddity -- Helpless Child off that album is one of favourite tracks by anyone, and I wanted fairly short songs from all. Unless I change things, this will be my nomination. Much as I love Silence, my favourite is May Failure Be My Noose. So if you are going to listen to just one trio of mine earlier than nomination time, choose these three.

One might notice that H have been favouring female vocals in my selections, and I usually do. If people know some of my selections (or all) on their own and/or from other topics, that's fine it save on people's listening as I know people are busy with other things.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2022 at 12:13
Gary (Jaketejas):

Finally listened to all three of your trios.

From your first three, I enjoy the 60s sounds of Jan and Dean with Dead Man’s Curve surely the most, followed by the 70s Nicolette Larson - Lotta Love , and Trans-X - Living On Video from the 80s in last place.

For your second trio, I enjoy Paul Revere And The Raiders' The Raiders (that is the link you provided and I had added to the playlist rather than Indian Reservation -- I can fix that if you want to provide a different link), followed by Benatar's Anxiety, followed by the Mechanical Men.

For your third trio it's hard to decide between them.

My favourite of the tracks you posted is Jan and Dean's Dead Man’s Curve, and I think that would be my preferred trio of yours if you are to nominate one of those three trios for the poll. We all have about another week to decide on our trio to be added.

My free time has become much less, so sorry if seem unresponsive and not as participatory in this topic as one might like.
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My three songs:

1) La Crus: Lontano

2) Paolo Conte: Frisco

3) Francesco Guccini: L'ultima Thule


Edited by jamesbaldwin - August 29 2022 at 17:30
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

My three songs:

1) La Crus: Lontano

2) Paolo Conte: Frisco

3) Francesco Guccini: L'ultima Thule


As getting and providing details and links is difficult with your limited connection, I'll do my best -- I'm no Nickie with this stuff. Perhaps you might get a chance to add your better descriptions later, how it relates to the decade and maybe what it means to you. Not sure what your plans are or when things might be getting more back to normalish for you in terms of internet (and time and perhaps disposition and inclination).

The 1990s:

The 1990s was the an age of pop rock meets trip hop and kind of soundscapes. This does sound of the 90s to me, with sultry Lynchian Angelo Badalementi notes.

La Crus - Lontano (1995)



The 2000s:

Jazz pop and such jazz was in vogue in the 2000s, and in other decades, but I'd describe this as nostalgic (drawing on much earlier styles) and kind of timeless in a way while also drawing on the past.

Paulo Conte - Frisco (2004)



The 2010s:

Sort of rocky singer-songrwiter music, it does have a crispness to it that speaks 2010s to me.

Francesco Guccini - L'ultima Thule (2012)




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I like all three of your nominations but favour them in the order given (90s, then 2000s, then 2010s).
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

My three songs:

1) La Crus: Lontano

2) Paolo Conte: Frisco

3) Francesco Guccini: L'ultima Thule
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

My three songs:

1) La Crus: Lontano

2) Paolo Conte: Frisco

3) Francesco Guccini: L'ultima Thule
I'm sorry to say this, Lorenzo but would you mind to bring a few new names for a change? We have the whole week to make our choices, there's no need to rush!

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^ I think Lorenzo has serious access to the internet issues (thus why he was not able to provide descriptions nor links -- methinks may be not being able to write descriptions is down to his device which makes it harder for him to type) and not easy access to his collection, so it's not as easy for him to check the dates and remember names as us (I have a weirdly good memory for such things). I enjoyed those artists songs, anyway, and this did start off as being a loved by us kind of personal thing that indicated your particular taste.

I brought up Portishead again, twice, although I'm not saying I have decided on that trio and already have another trio in mind, but want to wait for some songs from others before posting those.

Lorenzo is handicapped by circumstance, although he might have chosen those anyway.

It does get increasingly hard to choose acts that one hasn't mentioned multiple times before without researching (especially if one is going with ones already loved that have been meaningful to oneself, rather than, say, choosing ones that one thinks others will like even if not that special to you).

Edited by Logan - August 30 2022 at 09:42
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Three songs from three different decades is quite difficult to choose TBH. Where do i start? Why style of music do i choose? What country even? Confused
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I will start adding my next trio, will edit more in later:

I expect that some may listen to my lists and think, who knew so mnay decades could sound so much the same? Sorry if that is the case.

The 1990s:

This is a rare song in these things that I actually knew and liked when it came out and got back into of late. It definitely has a strong 90s feel and vibe to me (pretty sure had I never heard it before that I would guess 90s). It's quite hauntingly beautiful and features what is one of my very favourite singers, Liz Fraser. If everyone knows it, that's fine by me. Great song imo from one of the great bands of the 90s.

Massive Attack - Teardrop (off Mezzanine 1998)



The 2000s:

One thing about the early 200s is that it was often very hard to distinguish from the last 90s, especially when bands were making much the same music, which is hardly unique to this time. So I see this as an extension of the 90s. Nevertheless, the early 2000s do continue to represent that revival in lounge, psychedelia and space-age pop for its progressive art pop and chamber pop artists.

Stereolab - Suggestion Diabolique (off Sound-Dust 2001)



The 2010s:

The 2010s are really mostly about kinds of ethereal, ambient and experimental art pop. It also is a very strong era for women who acts as composers, musicians, arrangers and producers on their own albums. I have found more interesting female artists of the past ten years than male, but that's probably because that's what I have been interested in (so there is a sort of confirmation bias).

Jenny Hval - The Great Undressing (off Blood Bitch 2017)




I am tempted to do a Jenny Hval from the 2020s ("Year of Love" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i2oJJwgLTk ) ultimately for this topic. Not we can mix and match our trios or add any other ones up until next Monday when we decide our nominations (just in case people think that they are stuck with any mentioned trios -- mix and match, shake it up, come up witha new one, only mention one trio etc.).


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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Three songs from three different decades is quite difficult to choose TBH. Where do i start? Why style of music do i choose? What country even? Confused


I'm more of the intuitive and feeling type rather than a kind of analytical. When I see such topics, immediately music I like comes to mind. All I then have to do is figure out how to explain how it fits with the theme (in this case, and in my case I am pretty vague with that... lol. But I can be fairly creative in that department). I'd start with what I love or have loved and is meaningful to me, but for those with seriously eclectic tastes and a huge amount to consider, that is harder. Good luck.
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First selection:

1) La Crus: Lontano (1995)

La Crus came to prominence in the 1990s with two excellent albums, too bad they then got lost. "Lontano" is from their debut album: atmospheric music, carpet of keyboards and electronics, languid and fatalistic singing, trumpet giving a sophisticated tone to the piece.




2) Paolo Conte: Frisco (2004)

Paolo Conte has yet to receive justice here on Progarchives. A unique, exceptional artist, capable of mixing jazz (especially Latin jazz), milonga, tango, European folk and popular dances of various kinds until he arrived at a synthesis that was cultured and at the same time popular and ironic, perhaps comparable to that of Tom Waits. This song is explicitly jazz, retro in style. And let's not forget his voice.



3) Francesco Guccini: L'Ultima Thule (2012)

Ultima Thule is the last song on Guccini's last album, a kind of testament. Guccini comes to terms with the past, in the role of a ship captain who has crossed the Seven Seas and bids farewell to his crew, saying, however, that he will not stop traveling. Guccini has now been a novelist for 30 years, and has abandoned music for literature. Here he packs one of his most forbidding lyrics.

I who have rounded Cape Horn three times
And sailed the seven seas seven times
And have seen monsters and rare animals,
the amphesibena, the mermaids, the unicorn.
I who returned proudly to each port
After a fight, after a boarding,
I am no longer that and no longer have the courage
To sail on a dead vessel.

Where is the crew that accompanied me
And indulged every ribaldry?
Where is the force that surrounded us?
It is gone now, gone away.

I watch the sails hang limp
With ropes dangling in the void,
Slowly flapping against the broadside
With continuous motion, aimless.

And I see in the air a senseless dance
Of strange birds against the dreary sky
Singing a song in this gray world,
a dull song now, hopeless.
And here alone I think of my past,
I go backward and rummage through my life,
a lost and endless saga
Of what I have done, of what has been.

The untrue truths in which I believed
burst scattering all around,but others I had and day after day
If I died stronger I was reborn.
And now I am alone and no longer have the comfort
Of friends gone and more and more I am assailed
Boredom to empty the last tankard
Like a thought that's twisted in my mind.

But still I will set sail and depart
I alone, and though exhausted,
the bow I direct toward infinity
Which sooner or later, I know, I shall reach.

The Ultima Thule awaits in the far north,
realm of eternal, lifeless ice,
And up there this mine will be over
In the cold where we will all end.

The Ultima Thule awaits and inside the fjord
Will forever extinguish all passion,
will be lost in one last song
Of me and my ship even the memory.







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Second selection:

1) Claudio Lolli: Anna di Francia (1976)


Claudio Lolli is perhaps the quintessential "committed" Italian singer-songwriter. Unlike Francesco Guccini, his friend and countryman, who has always filtered politics while remaining at a distance, Lolli took an active part in the leftist student movements of the 1970s, and churned out his masterpiece in 1976: "Ho visto anche degli zingari felici," an album that contains this romantic and delicate song, "Anna di Francia", the arrangement of which could border on prog. 




2) Diaframma: Siberia (1984)

Rock in Italy developed in the late 1980s. The first underground, indie rock band par excellence was Diaframma, who recorded their masterpiece, "Siberia," in 1984. Dark sounds, heirs of Joy Division, in a clear new wave atmosphere, a rarity in Italy.






3) Paolo Conte: Novecento (1992)

Here's Paolo Conte again, churning out this sensational song with a circus atmosphere, worthy of a Kusturica film, with the usual wacky lyrics, an imaginative Paolo Conte who with his cavernous, grotesque baritone voice embellishes this piece with its simple structure but sophisticated arrangement. And wonderful video.




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PS: I'm back home, in Milan, vacation over, Sea of Puglia finished :-(

Thanks to Greg




Edited by jamesbaldwin - August 30 2022 at 14:28
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Good to see you properly back, Lorenzo (home in Milano).

Two of the above tracks don't work for me: the Claudio Lolli: Anna di Francia (1976) and the Paolo Conte: Novecento (1992)

I added ones that do work for me to the playlist CLICK for all mentions thus far

These are the links I used:
- For Claudio Lolli: Anna Di Francia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW6SMYDuew0
- For Paolo Conte: Novecento https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2uEHxJ2BCc

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^ Sharing and discovering new music is what keeps things going. We have to put some effort in to get there.




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Originally posted by Mila-13 Mila-13 wrote:

^ Sharing and discovering new music is what keeps things going. We have to put some effort in to get there.


I understand you, and that is important to me, but also a sense of camaraderie and relaxed and accepting attitudes I think help people keep coming back. When it starts to feel like a chore, as in (overmuch) we have to do this and that, are expected to put more effort into it, and maybe watch our backs worried about personal criticism as so often happens at forums, that would be the end of this, at least for me. It's about appreciating the music and appreciating each other and appreciating and accepting our differences to me. But I'm a real softie. Most of all, I think it should be fun.

When I was a teenager my friends and I would get together and play each other's music and we genuinely seemed to appreciate the music each brought. Mind you, our tastes were still forming perhaps and our tastes grew together. We also enjoyed returning to kinds of music together. That communal experience was wonderful as I remember it. Obviously here we each have preferred music, one that connects more with us as individuals, but it's been a nostalgic desire for that in part that has kept me coming to these forums (a way to connect with others over music even if we don't hear it quite the same). We didn't judge each other for the music or really judge the music in that case (at least not outwardly/ explicitly), we shared an experience even if each of our experiences was also unique.

As for my choices, I am swayed by other's perceptions, so if I= have mentioned a band too much and someone would rather a newer one, then I will take that advice on board. I do favour listening to other people's choices that are fresh to me, so I do think I should try to get fresh with them, so to speak.
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Nice posting!
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by Mila-13 Mila-13 wrote:

^ Sharing and discovering new music is what keeps things going. We have to put some effort in to get there.


I understand you, and that is important to me, but also a sense of camaraderie and relaxed and accepting attitudes I think help people keep coming back. When it starts to feel like a chore, as in (overmuch) we have to do this and that, are expected to put more effort into it, and maybe watch our backs worried about personal criticism as so often happens at forums, that would be the end of this, at least for me. It's about appreciating the music and appreciating each other and appreciating and accepting our differences to me. But I'm a real softie. Most of all, I think it should be fun.

When I was a teenager my friends and I would get together and play each other's music and we genuinely seemed to appreciate the music each brought. Mind you, our tastes were still forming perhaps and our tastes grew together. We also enjoyed returning to kinds of music together. That communal experience was wonderful as I remember it. Obviously here we each have preferred music, one that connects more with us as individuals, but it's been a nostalgic desire for that in part that has kept me coming to these forums (a way to connect with others over music even if we don't hear it quite the same). We didn't judge each other for the music or really judge the music in that case (at least not outwardly/ explicitly), we shared an experience even if each of our experiences was also unique.

As for my choices, I am swayed by other's perceptions, so if I= have mentioned a band too much and someone would rather a newer one, then I will take that advice on board. I do favour listening to other people's choices that are fresh to me, so I do think I should try to get fresh with them, so to speak.

These polls were born from the idea of sharing non-prog songs we are sentimentally attached to. 
So it is clear that most of these songs will be songs from the past, not the present, songs we grew up with.
Then it was added, as a pattern, to give a theme to the poll, which narrows the field within which to choose, and to allow prog songs.

Personally, I remain of the opinion that the theme is NOT necessary and that, if chosen, it should be as broad as possible, as inclusive as possible. The theme should not force us to do a long search to find a song, among our favorites, that fits it, nor should the theme force us to search for new songs in order to participate in the poll.

On the inclusion of prog songs, I also remain puzzled. I have often allowed them (my last IP was exclusively on prog), but I realize that very often if there are comparing non-prog songs with prog songs the vote ends up on the prog ones. This in my opinion loses a bit of the flavor of these polls. I enjoy it more when Crhistian (Lewian) posts a nice German verse-chorus song that he liked as a teenager. That too is new music to me. New music is not only the music of the present, it is also the music of the past that you don't know.

Let's open a parenthesis about the music of the past and the present.

I was born in 1970. I grew up with the music of the 1980s and 1990s. I had my reference music magazines, my reference TV shows. Then, starting more or less in the 2000s, everything changed: the Internet came, and music magazines and music broadcasts disappeared (or almost disappeared).  Vinyls and tapes slowly disappeared, and then CDs too; there are no longer large CD departments in supermarkets. Music has become invisible. And there are so many music groups. Compared to the past, musicians of the present are more technically proficient at their instrument and are great connoisseurs of the music of the past. The songs are more complex, and everyone has access to professional recording studios. In short, the music of the past often sounds very naive and amateurish compared to that of today. Still, the best music to my ears is the music of the past. I find it more direct, urgent, inspired - seminal. The music of the present is, for the most part, more professional and competent, but less inspired, less artistic. I am speaking for myself; I do not claim that this discourse is shared. 

Of course there are still great songs and great artists, but they are a small percentage of those around (also because, I repeat, there are so many bands today). It is objective, however, to say that the main innovative breakthroughs in music happened in the past, today you can only rework them in new ways, but not create new ones (with some exception). This argument applies to all the arts: literature, film, theater. The real innovations happened in the past. And today there are so many artists (writers, directors) that it will be difficult in school texts to select the most important writers or musicians or directors of the 2000 century. 

I am passionate about literature, film and theater: most of the books and films of the present do not tell me much, I have to make a big selection to get to something I think is good. Even if I read a novel from the past or if I see a movie from the past I can come across a bad work of art, this is obvious, but in the past there were fewer works of art, and artists worked on material that was yet to be developed - and now following the lines of established critics you can get an idea of where you can find good novels or good films or good music.

If I love an artist, because his or her music speaks to my heart (no matter what critical judgment I may make of it), I post his or her songs, selecting those that are less well known or that may appeal most to an audience of prog lovers. And I do this over and over again. I have done it for example with Springsteen, Nick Cave, Guccini, De André. I prefer to post songs that engage me emotionally than songs that are formally perfect, that have critical acclaim (and even my own) but that I am not passionate about. For example, Frank Zappa and Captain Beefheart have my esteem; if I have to rate their works, I give them very high ratings. But I don't empathize with their music. Then, I compromise, often between my tastes, my passions, and my critical judgments, looking for songs that satisfy both my heart and my mind.


This is why I currently listen to more music of the twentieth century than music of the two-thousandth century. My knowledge of twentieth-century (1960s-1990s) music is good but not complete, it does not reach the encyclopedic knowledge of Logan or SillYPuppy, and so I still have a lot of very good (and new, to me, to my ears) music to listen to. Probably when I know enough of it, I will focus more on the present. For now, I seek out music of the present only where I can be fairly certain of finding something interesting, so I'm looking for recommendations and reference points -- but my tastes are more selective, I think, than those of the prog lovers on this site: I don't easily get excited by prog of the present; Black Midi, for example, leaves me skeptical. In general, I am an atypical prog listener.



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Here's another track that I'm going to add to my initial post. here

The Young Gods: Kissing the Sun (Album: Only Heaven, 1995)

The Young Gods are a three-piece industrial rock band from Geneva, formed in 1985. The band's music is largely based on sampling and sound manipulation. In their later releases they incorporated elements of ambient and electronic music such as in particular on their 1995 album "Only Heaven". Through their innovative sample-based approach to rock music they gained international spotlight, which is relatively rare for a Swiss band.



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Thank you for letting us in on your thought process, Lorenzo.  And the history of these polls, as well, including the original intent.

I do like the idea of themes, but also not to make them too restrictive, also of non-themes.  Also that it should be what you love already, comes easily to mind, instead of a deep search to fit the theme.  

That all being said, I like the premise of this one, with three songs to represent 3 decades, for the participant on a personal level, as well as being more representational in a widespread way.  




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Lorenzo: You may well have had that idea of sentimental attachment with that first poll that people, starting with TCat picked up on which helped lead to this being a series, but it was not explicitly expressed (at least in your OP or others subsequent polls) and so I would not have shared your expectation that they would mostly be songs we grew up with. That said, I know it's important to you from various comments you have made subsequently (but I did not approach the polls made by people that way -- may be with one I've forgotten. I made a list so I could review most) Lewian brought in a specific theme which like your first poll idea, caught on, others brought in some all prog ones and some some prog ones. I like the variety. I like that people come up with different ideas and expectations and variations. I don't think that had it stayed like the first poll it would have had momentum. I think the longevity is due to people adapting, come up with new rules and expectations, variation, and individuality coming into play for each person who conducts one of these. My OP would look very different than if, say, David_D did one with a different approach.

I try to be quite open in my themes generally, at least in leaving room for interpretation (I've seen it expressed that it is harder to choose without a defined in past poll or more). And look at Cristi's post here:

"Three songs from three different decades is quite difficult to choose TBH. Where do i start? Why style of music do i choose? What country even? ".

I'm not nearly as sentimentally attached to music that I discovered long ago as many others at PA are. I often see people in polls say, I vote for because I have known it for four decades and it has meant a lot to me. I genuinely tend to be more attached and want to listen to newer-to-me music. By the way when I spoke of newer music and the way I interpreted Mila's use of new music as new to others, and possibly new-to-you no matter how modern it is. I continue to discover music from the 60s up that is new-to-me. I was interpreting it as sharing music that is new to the other participants in the thread no matter when they music was released or recorded. Sometimes with music I post for Interactive Threads, I have also shared those in other topics.

That said, while I think we can expect people to adhere to the rules in a person's thread who participated (as well as point where we think they could be improved), I do think we should avoid telling people wat they do generally. I may have communist sympathies but I am also an individualist. I value that people take different approaches, I value that the polls are not all the same, I value that people value different art, I value that we each have our own ways to express things and respond to such topics. As long as we are respectful of each other, and not too domineering, and team players while appreciating the individualism.

Each poll has been done rather differently depending on the poll starter, and that's the beauty of these to me, that it's a team effort and an individual effort, and we each bring in our own expectations for the polls we do. I like the individualism of the polls. I also think the themes played a major role in the longevity of this. Coming up with themes has been a lot of fun for me, and trying to think within those boxes has been a challenge that I have enjoyed. I like that each new poll can bring something different to the table and the individuality of the poll starter comes into play in how the topic is approached, how the OP is expressed, and how that person interacts. Without the different approaches and expectations from different posters, and the fun I have had in coming up with Interactive Poll ideas, I would have lost interest in these long ago..

For my topic, we aren't "competing" with others (not that I treat these as competitions anyway), it's seeing which three you choose to nominate others appreciate most in part. For that exercise, I did want to not allow one Prog track from each person, and I have done various in and out of PA topics.

I have sometimes voted for the Prog choice and very often not. I don't care that much about the poll results. Generally I do prefer to hear ones not in PA. Most of what I listen to now is of the past decade, and most of it is not in PA (well, I have been listening to a lot of Anna von Hausswolff, and modern Swans over the past months). But I would say a lot of what I listen to could be described as art pop, chamber pop, experimental and progressive pop. In my nine mentions, I have only mentioned one deemed Prog by PA inclusion, Swans, and I chose an oddity that I would not describe as Prog (and in fact, I wouldn't describe Swans as Prog to others even though I think it should be in PA).

I haven't paid much attention the the results of when Prog is mixed with non-Prog.

By the way, I can get a really strong attachment (and a sentimental-feeling one although I am not a sentimentalist) to music that is new to me. I have only known Nick Drake's River Man for about five years, yet almost immediately when I heard it I felt a sentimental attachment to it. The vast majority of music I now love is not from my distant past, yet it moves me as much and seems more meaningful in a way as it relates to ne as I am now with my current interest more.. I too do not favour the technically perfect.

By thee way, prog like many other genres (or subgenre) has music I love, am meh about and dislike. What David_D might call the modern Prog proper does not tend to interest me.

^ and thank you Nickie, I'm glad that you appreciate this theme. And indeed, thank you Lorenzo for putting so much thought into that post.

Edited by Logan - August 31 2022 at 13:13
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