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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2022 at 15:48
^ I do think that those sorts of comments are better suited to the Just for Fun forum. Plenty of topics there for such nonsense.
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by earlyprog earlyprog wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

But there's always this question how we want to define and classify, and why. Smile

I still want you to explain why you want to 'define' differently than PA.
Something else, in the thread "Plans on PA for becoming an all-music site?" some collaborators are argueing for expanding/changing the understanding of Prog on PA, so it's not only me who might like to "define" differently.

I don't remember seeing any of that in that thread, quotes please.

Here they are:

Originally posted by earlyprog earlyprog wrote:

PA is not going to narrow the definitions of what prog is. It's going to extend the understanding of what prog is as it keeps developing. 

I'm constantly challenged on what neo-prog (and prog in general) is and I do not always agree on the neo additions but it's a way to allow for prog to evolve.

For instance, over time crossover prog has embraced a variety of music that really makes me think there's room for new prog genres here.


Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

There's no question that in recent years Prog Rock has been evolving.
It's only natural that the farther away we are from the 70s the more the concept of Prog Rock is branching out, as new bands pop up with fresh interpretations of what producing progressive music may mean.
If you stick to considering classic Prog as "the purest Prog there is", unavoidably you will be challenged by the progressiveness of many recent bands.

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

There's no question that in recent years Prog Rock has been evolving.
It's only natural that the farther away we are from the 70s the more the concept of Prog Rock is branching out, as new bands pop up with fresh interpretations of what producing progressive music may mean.
If you stick to considering classic Prog as "the purest Prog there is", unavoidably you will be challenged by the progressiveness of many recent bands.
Yep, progressive rock cannot and should never have a completely finished definition. At least not until it's in a museum.

All the quotes are from page 3, 05-06 August 2022.


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Regarding Saperlip's status as a "collaborator", he's not officially...yet, but that's what I've reconed on basis of his
suddenly very "authoritative" and active behaviour the last three months - but I can of course be wrong.







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And thank you everybody for this very constructive discussion, presenting various points of view which one can consider. Smile








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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

...if everyone came with their own definition of things, there would not be any consensus in anything.

To expect consensus is far too optimistic imo, but I hope that the PA top is rather sensitive to the opinions of the members. Smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 18 2022 at 07:24
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

...if everyone came with their own definition of things, there would not be any consensus in anything.

To expect consensus is far too optimistic imo, but I hope that the PA top is rather sensitive to the opinions of the members. Smile

not what I meant at all. 
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

...if everyone came with their own definition of things, there would not be any consensus in anything.

To expect consensus is far too optimistic imo, but I hope that the PA top is rather sensitive to the opinions of the members. Smile
Cristi & I have consensus that we both wonder what we're still doing here on this thread 20 pages later. Tongue


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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Cristi & I have consensus that we both wonder what we're still doing here on this thread 20 pages later. Tongue

LOL

I guess, you just can't keep away. Big smile


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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

...if everyone came with their own definition of things, there would not be any consensus in anything.

To expect consensus is far too optimistic imo, but I hope that the PA top is rather sensitive to the opinions of the members. Smile

not what I meant at all. 

sorry about that

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Progaardvark, I'm curious about this special kind of communication, you practice, "double split" or something.
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by earlyprog earlyprog wrote:

I still want you to explain why you want to 'define' differently than PA.

When I'm ready for it and find it appropriate to do, I'll do it - even I'd say, there's an okay answer for such question in all my posts in this blog if somebody's in hurry.

Besides that, I haven't seen a really definition of Progressive Rock on PA which I can compare with my own, or maybe the two I want to use at the time I want to answer a question like this. Wink

But I can tell you that much as that I in discussing my answer would distinguish between the definitions themselves and the applications of them because regarding my definition of Progressive Rock as a meta-genre, the difference in relation to PA's "definition" is not as much the definitions themselves as our applications of them.


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A bit primitive, isn't it, Hugh Manatee?
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


A bit primitive, isn't it, Hugh Manatee?

As a caveman, I know a bit about being primitive. And I have to say, primitive or not, he has hit the nail on the head. You are flogging a dead horse….

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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

A bit primitive, isn't it, Hugh Manatee?

As a caveman, I know a bit about being primitive. And I have to say, primitive or not, he has hit the nail on the head. You are flogging a dead horse….

What can I say? 
At this point of time, 395 replies and 14545 views - I guess it says a lot. 

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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


A bit primitive, isn't it, Hugh Manatee?

you not getting his joke is hilarious to be honest. 
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Honestly, this entire thread should have been deleted after the second page or so

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Originally posted by Necrotica Necrotica wrote:

Honestly, this entire thread should have been deleted after the second page or so

To be honest, that would be very disrespectful to all the many persons who have participated in it. Wink




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