Your fave &quot;avantgardish&quot; Progressive Rock albums?

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Posted: August 15 2022 at 07:34

I don't have many albums like that, but this one comes to mind-

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Did not know what to make of it at first, but now I dig it.

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Posted: August 15 2022 at 07:37

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^ LOL

no worries, the others know. LOL

I'm guessing it means "Get the popcorn, because this is going to be a long-running debate." Big smile

You got it.

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Posted: August 15 2022 at 07:44

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Cristi wrote:

^ LOL

no worries, the others know. LOL

I'm guessing it means "Get the popcorn, because this is going to be a long-running debate." Big smile

also probably silly or ridiculous. Big smile

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Posted: August 15 2022 at 08:18

Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Cristi wrote:

^ LOL

no worries, the others know. LOL

I'm guessing it means "Get the popcorn, because this is going to be a long-running debate." Big smile

I don't mind that - if more constructive than some of those before.

If for no other reason, for the sake of wellness of the PA forum. Smile

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Posted: August 15 2022 at 09:45

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The Necks - Hanging Gardens

Good call on The Necks, adding jazz opens it up for me to other non-prog 'difficult' albums

Thanks! But I didn't actually think about adding jazz. Just forgot that The Necks aren't in the archives, really. They might as well have been. If I considered jazz, I could have replied in the way David_D's asking us to. I find these ten albums a somewhat challenging listen, but also very rewarding:

Khan Jamal - Drum Dance to the Motherland
Anthony Braxton - New York, Fall 1974
Sun Ra - The Magic City
Barre Philips - For All It Is
John Tchicai & Cadentia Nova Danica - Afrodisiaca
Charles Tyler Ensemble - Voyage From Jericho

Cecil Taylor - Looking Ahead!

Abbey Rader - The Thing

Sonny Sharrock - Black Woman

Steve Reid - Nova

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It has just occurred to me that an album I’ve listened to today might count as “avantgardish”, in that I found it particularly challenging, but I like it a lot now. It’s not that it is particularly challenging, per se, so much as I found it challenging because of how different it initially sounded to my ears to previous releases from the band. To be fair, they have changed their sound/style to varying extents with every release, so it shouldn’t have been a surprise. And, once again, they’ve changed their name, which is probably another indicator that they might be sounding different. The band have also been described, though not universally so, as avant garde, so I guess that counts in their favour for this thread, too.

So for anyone who has not heard this year’s release from enPHin (formerly known as PH, formerly known as Peter Hayden, formerly known as Mr. Peter Hayden), it is a very interesting and “avantgardish” (I guess) album. Worth a listen, for sure, in my opinion.

If you don’t like it, try a different album. There’s a lot to like in their discography, in my opinion.

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I found this one challenging because I wasn't expecting to use my nose to listen to it...

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Posted: August 15 2022 at 11:24

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I found this one challenging because I wasn't expecting to use my nose to listen to it...

Here is an album that actually was destined to be smelt, as well as heard:

https://valvemusic.bandcamp.com/album/silent-reflux

Here’s what I wrote about it:

I wrote:

This album has been a long time in gestation – some fifteen years or so! But if you were waiting for it, I don’t need to tell you about it, as you no doubt already possess it. Perhaps you’ve even acquired the necessary ingredients to smell the album as you listen (I kid you not – this album has an olfactory element designed to enhance listening, should you wish to follow the instructions contained with the CD). But honestly, there’s so much going on here that I’m content to forgo the multi-sensory experience and just listen. With a veritable who’s who of local avant garde artists from the likes of Knifeworld, Guapo and Chrome Hoof (and other such inter-related acts that Herington is associated with), there is a huge pool of talent. A dream team, if you will, which is entirely appropriate for an album composed from dreams. And as this is the soundtrack to a dreamworld, you can forget any conventional musical progression, as instead Silent Reflux follows the structure of dream logic.

The four main pieces (or figures, represented graphically on the cover) are inspired by four of Herington’s recurring childhood dreams. Events within dreams are often not bound by the same laws of physics and norms of social convention as those of day to day life. Thus, within the four figures, the most fantastic and unlikely scores play out as in a dream. The nonsensical logic one possesses while dreaming makes perfect sense until one wakes up, but with Silent Relux we get to hear it (and smell it, yes) awake, in all its non-linear and irrational glory. For some listeners, this could prove challenging, but I can’t get enough, and am somehow forever surprised and disappointed when it ends. Of course, it helps that I love the sounds of bassoons, saxophones and clarinets, of which there are plenty here to sink into and drift away. And as well as more conventional instruments such as piano, guitar and drums, there is all manner of percussion (including glockenspiel), saz and oud, cellos, viola and violin. A veritable cacophony or cornucopia, depending on your preference.

Reflux is the flow backwards through a vessel or valve (or V Ä L V Ē), and so Silent Reflux seems a wonderful title for an album that takes us back in time, not just to Herington’s recurring dreams of childhood, but to splendidly outrageous music vaguely reminiscent of ’70s avant garde artists such as Henry Cow – or being removed out of the flow of time completely. It’s all very wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff, and (at least, for me) exuberantly joyful and playful. The three shorter pieces interspersed among the four dream figures are just as enjoyable, though sonically very different. Interestingly, these are the three tracks that have had videos created for them, but I’m guessing this is so listeners can visualise the dreams in their own way, as Herington desires each listener “to have a singular and individual experience at home”. I don’t know about singular, though, as this is one series of dreams I don’t mind recurring again and again…

[EDIT] I forgot to thank you for the fart album. It’s actually rather good, in a strange sort of way. 🤪

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Posted: August 15 2022 at 11:27

Mirthkon - Vehicle and Snack(s)
French TV - All Our Failures Are Behind Us
Miriodor - Avanti!
ni - Les Insurges De Romilly
Bubblemath - Edit Peptide
Mike Keneally - Hat and Boil that Dust Speck
Piniol - Bran Coucou

Non-prog.. All Thelonious Monk albums

I'll probably get scolded by the avant aficionados for my choices.

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Posted: August 15 2022 at 11:35

thanks, guys

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Posted: August 15 2022 at 11:39

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Here is an album that actually was destined to be smelt, as well as heard:

I own this album but only as a download. Love Chloe's stuff

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Posted: August 15 2022 at 11:41

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Mirthkon - Vehicle and Snack(s)
French TV - All Our Failures Are Behind Us
Miriodor - Avanti!
ni - Les Insurges De Romilly
Bubblemath - Edit Peptide
Mike Keneally - Hat and Boil that Dust Speck
Piniol - Bran Coucou

Non-prog.. All Thelonious Monk albums

I'll probably get scolded by the avant aficionados for my choices.

Hell no, good choices one and all! I may have picked different particular albums but good choices. If you've got ni & Piniol you must pick Poil - Brossaklitt.

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Posted: August 15 2022 at 11:55

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Here is an album that actually was destined to be smelt, as well as heard:

I own this album but only as a download. Love Chloe's stuff

Yeah, anything from the scene she is in tends to be wonderful.

Are you familiar with the PH album I mentioned earlier (or any of their previous)? (Not that there is any relation to Chlöe, so much as just a wee wonder.)

They seem to be often piled in with the Finnish neo-Kraut scene, but I think that’s trying to pigeonhole in the most convenient manner, rather than accurate. Then again, I love a lot of the music that has come out of, or is related to, the Finnish neo-Kraut scene, and I’ve never been quite convinced there is actually a genre there anyway. The label “scene” is often a giveaway that there has been a clumping together of bands and artists for convenience and marketing. (Cf the Seattle scene, or the Boston scene, etc.)

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Posted: August 15 2022 at 12:01

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Are you familiar with the PH album I mentioned earlier (or any of their previous)? (Not that there is any relation to Chlöe, so much as just a wee wonder.)

Wishlisted it on bandcamp for future listening. Sometimes those groupings work, the current London post-punk and afrobeat beat jazz scenes are certainly groups of bands interacting. Similarly the Lyon Avant scene has a massive amount of bands with common musicians.

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Posted: August 15 2022 at 12:03

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Here is an album that actually was destined to be smelt, as well as heard:

I enjoyed that. Thanks for the suggestion. Thumbs Up

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Posted: August 15 2022 at 12:15

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Are you familiar with the PH album I mentioned earlier (or any of their previous)? (Not that there is any relation to Chlöe, so much as just a wee wonder.)

True, but the interaction and common musicians don’t necessarily mean the scene is completely of one sound or style. I mean Dan Carey has been involved with just about every album in the SE post punk scene (I tend to use that rather than just London, since Brighton is pretty much as important, and these two centres have a scene that is quite separate and different from the SW post punk scene), but he’s a member of Wet Leg, playing on their album, and as part of their live band.

In that respect, the Seattle Scene, Boston Scene, and yes, Finnish neo-Kraut scene do have the same degree of interaction and common musicians - but again, not necessarily simply one sound or style. I would never deny there might have been a scene, but to attempt to place all that occurs in that scene under one genre simply does not always work.

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Posted: August 15 2022 at 12:18

I would certainly never place it under one genre, but do consider it enough of a scene that if I'm interested in a couple of bands within the scene I'll pretty much automatically check out most of the rest of the referenced bands.

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Posted: August 15 2022 at 12:55

This is what I think of an avantgardish.

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Posted: August 15 2022 at 13:21

^ Ideally, avant-garnished with salad cream. Smile

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Posted: August 15 2022 at 14:11

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I would certainly never place it under one genre, but do consider it enough of a scene that if I'm interested in a couple of bands within the scene I'll pretty much automatically check out most of the rest of the referenced bands.

Oh yeah, without doubt. I hope it didn’t seem I was disagreeing with you, because it was quite the contrary. Because I don’t care about genre, then I’m not bothered at all, if I enjoy (the mostpart of) a scene. And the importance of the scene (over genre) can be seen by Fontaines DC’s decision to relocate to London, so as to be closer to the scene they want to part of. (Will they change their name to Fontaines LDN, I ask facetiously? 😜) I freely admit that if they had not done so, I might not have paid attention to them. I had heard of them, but never heard anything from them. But knowing they were now included in the SE post punk scene, I checked out their Glastonbury set on BBC iPlayer, and was pretty much an instant convert.