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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Let me first say that I think it's a nice idea, I like tournament style things as you saw. Wink
I just think that straighter themes where people can just come up with something without necessarily listen to others' suggestions (just in the end the final nominations) may attract more participation. Of course current low participation may have other reasons and it's just a smaller but dedicated group now, but still it will make participation hard for people with not a lot of time in their hands (that's certainly me over this summer). On the other hand it's about prog so we may "hope" to know quite a bit of stuff that is suggested, although of course the idea is to find out about new stuff.


Yes, you're right, it needs time.

I thought about this mechanism both because I am curious to discover your prog tastes - referring to single songs that mean a lot to you - and because we are few and in this way we are sure that everyone votes, in fact if we listen to the songs of others forumists and put them in order of liking, then it will be easy to select the first three.
We can take three weeks and finish on July 31st.

Mila, Cristi, Nick, George etc. how about it?
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I’m down for it. I’m just not sure how much time I have for it. I think it’s a cool idea, though - and will definitely attempt to play along, as and when I find time.
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I will give it a go. Still busy so the three week time frame sounds good.
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Hope someone will join me in the new poll!
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I'm always up for trying new things but this voting system in combination with an all prog poll? Besides, I'm into fresh sounds or at least something that is new to me. I think I'm gonna skip this one. Wake me up when it's over! Tongue
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Originally posted by Mila-13 Mila-13 wrote:

I'm always up for trying new things but this voting system in combination with an all prog poll? Besides, I'm into fresh sounds or at least something that is new to me. I think I'm gonna skip this one. Wake me up when it's over! Tongue


It's a pity, your absence is a big loss... but anyway, as you prefer...
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Thanks for the invitation, Lorenzo - maybe next time.- I've noticed that some new people have joined your poll. Perhaps this is an opportunity to do some promo for the Interactive Polls?

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Cristi, don't you join us?
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Next poll: Nick are you avalaible?
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Next poll: Nick are you avalaible?
You will have to find someone else instead. Nick let us know in the current poll thread that he's on holidays atm. As for me, I'm not much around either. I can open a poll but not until after the summer break.



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Originally posted by Mila-13 Mila-13 wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Next poll: Nick are you avalaible?
You will have to find someone else instead. Nick let us know in the current poll thread that he's on holidays atm. As for me, I'm not much around either. I can open a poll but not until after the summer break.
I will see what I can do. I will try and come up with something tomorrow or the next day, if that is alright?
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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by Mila-13 Mila-13 wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Next poll: Nick are you avalaible?
You will have to find someone else instead. Nick let us know in the current poll thread that he's on holidays atm. As for me, I'm not much around either. I can open a poll but not until after the summer break.
I will see what I can do. I will try and come up with something tomorrow or the next day, if that is alright?


I think we may wait until next monday.
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Hey guys, what about the next poll?
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Originally posted by Mila-13 Mila-13 wrote:

Hey guys, what about the next poll?


I hope this will do!
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Perhaps this area would be better for discussion of the mechanics of a poll?  

That being said, I kind of like the idea of ranking of the choices to come up with nominations, that doesn't necessarily require discussion on how you came to your conclusions, for those lacking time.  Many people don't do a discussion in the first place, and many also wait to listen to just the final nominations.

I would also think that even if one has heard some of the material before (which is not everyone's caveat, but usually mine), that one could still come up with how to rank the choices of each participant.  For this poll, since I listen to so much new output, I would not be averse to sticking to my "I know this one, so won't vote for it," stance, at least certainly for the initial 4 selections of each participant.

I know we've usually done 3, but as we all know, some have come up with multiples beyond that without it causing undue hardship.  Now, it may have to be said to stick to a hard 4 decisions, because of the ranking portion, but one could just choose 1-4 of even 10 choices, lol.  
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Hey Nickie, great to hear from you! I hope all is going well with you? Smile

You're absolutely right, general discussions about polls should take place in the team thread, but ideally in advance, of course if time allows. But that's just not always possible, esp. during the holiday season. 

In the previous poll Lorenzo has already tried this preliminary voting system, but it didn't quite work out. It was altogether a bit too time-consuming.- As for the poll topic itself, limiting the release date to 2022 could be a bit too restictive for some of us. At least it takes a little time to check the material we have. I personally rarely pay attention to the exact release date when looking for new music. But meanwhile, I have taken a closer look at my more recent material and I noticed that I actually have a surprisingly large amount of material that meets the criteria. There are of course also a few well-known artists, last but not least because the pandemic crisis has affected all of our lives in some way and esp. the life of arists of performing arts. Therefore I totally agree with you that at this point the level of popularity of an artist should be less relevant.



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I see, of course I'd been lying low for quite a while, so unaware of the attempt at the voting system prior.  

Anyway, will adjust my initial response if it's decided to shift the current poll rules.  
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Originally posted by Mila-13 Mila-13 wrote:

In the previous poll Lorenzo has already tried this preliminary voting system, but it didn't quite work out.
I don't agree with you here, Mila. I think that, despite the quite demanding effort, this poll worked out very well (actually surprisingly well, because when Lorenzo launched it I didn't expect there would be that many participants...). Only the Baldies and Cristi didn't go to the end (whereas Cristi had announced that he would not necessarily have the time at hand). If it really hadn't worked out, I don't think Nick would have followed the same formula.
That said, I think this system is too time intensive to adopt it on a regular basis and that it is maybe better suited for broader themes...

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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

Originally posted by Mila-13 Mila-13 wrote:

In the previous poll Lorenzo has already tried this preliminary voting system, but it didn't quite work out.
I don't agree with you here, Mila. I think that, despite the quite demanding effort, this poll worked out very well (actually surprisingly well, because when Lorenzo launched it I didn't expect there would be that many participants...). Only the Baldies and Cristi didn't go to the end (whereas Cristi had announced that he would not necessarily have the time at hand). If it really hadn't worked out, I don't think Nick would have followed the same formula.
That said, I think this system is too time intensive to adopt it on a regular basis and that it is maybe better suited for broader themes...
The voting system in the previous poll was ok as a one off. Yes, it worked better than expected but the whole thing took far too long, it's too time-consuming. Besids the people you have mentioned, the final votes of two more people are still missing, incl. those from Nick himself. That's why I'm a bit surprised that he's suggesting this voting system again, you see.



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^ Nick's votes are included in the table...

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