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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

You are wrong. Everyone else is right. And you are Svetonio about to banned again as eventually as you were the last ten times.


Regarding Boboulo, he might be Svetonio and he might not be. If he admit's it then he is and even if he doesn't he still might be but unless you have his ip address it could be difficult to prove. To paraphrase Forest Gump trolling is as trolling does. If he doesn't actually engage in trolling or inappropriate behavior then no reason to sound the alarm(imo).
It's him....He did the same thing over at Hoffman Forums in the music section on a prog thread, trying to spread his delusional theories about music.
Ask him to give you his thoughts on Dream Theater.......basically called them the greatest prog band ever. Then u get sucked into his diatribe about what is prog and progressive and proggy and psych and symphonic and what bands fit where and since they don't fit in one they can't be another. I don't think he is trolling....YET. But it will happen, for now he exists for my comedic relief, so hope the admins leave him be. LOL 


Ok, I stand corrected then. Why not just have him locked in a room and have him listen to Justin Beiber and Brittany Spears songs for a few hours? 
That's too easy........make him listen to Pink Floyd with a red flashing sign that says "Its Prog Rock-Its Prog Rock-It's Prog Rock...."
We may not agree on some things, José, but I am totally with you regarding this joker. First it's the repetitive posting about the neat little bins he makes of each tiny music genre -- bins that never touch and never mix (like Pink Floyd is only psychedelic and never prog, although every single music site on the internet says the opposite, including PA). Next it will be spamming the boards with hundreds of youtube videos of Serbian prog from the 70s. LOL
The only thing that matters in the world is music..........Everything else is a huge bowl of steaming elephant sh*t. 

I used to feel that way. I was totally obsessed with music and especially prog for much of my teen years and into my twenties and beyond. Now that I'm older I find there are other things worth pursuing and while most of them might take a back seat to music there are still other things in life besides music. 


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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

If you're talking a Big 4 its Yes, Genesis, Crimson & Pink Floyd. However much you guys try to discount them you can't ignore Floyd they had too big a footprint on the period.


I also think about a Big 4, besides a Big 6, but then I won't agree on that one either. For me it's Yes, Genesis, King Crimson, and ELP... because I think out of (my) Big 6, they are the most quintessential prog bands (even though Pink Floyd are my very favourite band, and I do consider them prog, these other ones are just more prog... the same goes with Jethro Tull).
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Originally posted by Sacro_Porgo Sacro_Porgo wrote:

What about Renaissance? Are they worthy of inclusion? Certainly they have enough great albums from about the right time period and certainly they were progressive enough.


Oh, I do love Renaissance. Annie is my favourite singer along with Jon Anderson and Francesco Di Giacomo. And for me, after the Big 6 comes the next 4, which are Renaissance themselves, along with VdGG, Camel, and Gentle Giant.
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I would gladly extend the Big Six to 10, 11 or 12, adding Magma, Van der Graaf Generator, Gentle Giant, Camel, Focus and Kansas. Rush peaked later.
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

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Innovation has to count to some extent and on that scale KC, PF and also ELP beat Yes and Genesis easily.
Innovation?? None of them dressed like this on stage, shaved their head down the middle or gave birth to themselves on stage! None of them would dare to be this innovative......
 

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Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

I would gladly extend the Big Six to 10, 11 or 12, adding Magma, Van der Graaf Generator, Gentle Giant, Camel, Focus and Kansas. Rush peaked later.

It needs to be 40... lol  LOL
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Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

I would gladly extend the Big Six to 10, 11 or 12, adding Magma, Van der Graaf Generator, Gentle Giant, Camel, Focus and Kansas. Rush peaked later.

Let’s add Jade Warrior too.
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Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

I would gladly extend the Big Six to 10, 11 or 12, adding Magma, Van der Graaf Generator, Gentle Giant, Camel, Focus and Kansas. Rush peaked later.

Let’s add Jade Warrior too.

God yes
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This is the definitive Top 10 of Progressive Rock, as determined by the good members of ProgArchives in a recent poll:-
 
1. Genesis (510 points)
2. Yes (436 points)
3. King Crimson (432 points)
4. Pink Floyd (428 points)
5. Rush (246 points)
6. Jethro Tull (166 points)
7. Emerson, Lake & Palmer (165 points)
8. Van der Graaf Generator (129 points)
9. Gentle Giant (106 points)
10. IQ (90 points)
 
Personally, I would substitute Emerson, Lake & Palmer for Rush in the "Big Six", but that's just my biased British opinion. Wink
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Rush at #5 is a travesty.....a second-tier melding of Yes and Zep above ELP, GG and VDGG, not to mention a good 50 bands, at least, from this site?  Hogwash!

What is interesting is the separation after the top four bands.....maybe we'd argue about the order of those four, but not their inclusion at the top.  
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Originally posted by Intruder Intruder wrote:

Rush at #5 is a travesty.....a second-tier melding of Yes and Zep above ELP, GG and VDGG, not to mention a good 50 bands, at least, from this site?  Hogwash!

What is interesting is the separation after the top four bands.....maybe we'd argue about the order of those four, but not their inclusion at the top.  

And yet Rush remains one of the most popular and influential bands ever to play progressive rock, and didn't teeter off of a cliff after their artistic peak like many bands do. Besides, what bands aren't products of their influences? Crazy Little Thing Called Love sounds a lot like Elvis but nobody says it's a bad Queen song because of that.
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

You are wrong. Everyone else is right. And you are Svetonio about to banned again as eventually as you were the last ten times.


Regarding Boboulo, he might be Svetonio and he might not be. If he admit's it then he is and even if he doesn't he still might be but unless you have his ip address it could be difficult to prove. To paraphrase Forest Gump trolling is as trolling does. If he doesn't actually engage in trolling or inappropriate behavior then no reason to sound the alarm(imo).
It's him....He did the same thing over at Hoffman Forums in the music section on a prog thread, trying to spread his delusional theories about music.
Ask him to give you his thoughts on Dream Theater.......basically called them the greatest prog band ever. Then u get sucked into his diatribe about what is prog and progressive and proggy and psych and symphonic and what bands fit where and since they don't fit in one they can't be another. I don't think he is trolling....YET. But it will happen, for now he exists for my comedic relief, so hope the admins leave him be. LOL 


Ok, I stand corrected then. Why not just have him locked in a room and have him listen to Justin Beiber and Brittany Spears songs for a few hours? 
That's too easy........make him listen to Pink Floyd with a red flashing sign that says "Its Prog Rock-Its Prog Rock-It's Prog Rock...."
We may not agree on some things, José, but I am totally with you regarding this joker. First it's the repetitive posting about the neat little bins he makes of each tiny music genre -- bins that never touch and never mix (like Pink Floyd is only psychedelic and never prog, although every single music site on the internet says the opposite, including PA). Next it will be spamming the boards with hundreds of youtube videos of Serbian prog from the 70s. LOL
The only thing that matters in the world is music..........Everything else is a huge bowl of steaming elephant sh*t. 

I used to feel that way. I was totally obsessed with music and especially prog for much of my teen years and into my twenties and beyond. Now that I'm older I find there are other things worth pursuing and while most of them might take a back seat to music there are still other things in life besides music. 
I was never 100% progressive rock, at most about 80%...........I grew up on funk and R&B, with progressive rock close behind in the early 70's. But I remain a listener of funk and R&B, new and old. Probably my biggest addition to my collection has been jazz over the past 20yrs. I have always listened to many genres........Country is the only thing I don't listen to.
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Since progness of Pink Floyd is very questionable I wouldn't include them in the Big Six.

So, these bands are the Big Six of prog rock, in my view:

Yes
Genesis
King Crimson
Rush (most successful out of the Big Six during their prog phase and they had a wider appeal than other bands probably due to hard rock roots/elements)
ELP
Jethro Tull
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Originally posted by TexasKing TexasKing wrote:

Since progness of Pink Floyd is very questionable I wouldn't include them in the Big Six.

So, these bands are the Big Six of prog rock, in my view:

Yes
Genesis
King Crimson
Rush (most successful out of the Big Six during their prog phase and they had a wider appeal than other bands probably due to hard rock roots/elements)
ELP
Jethro Tull






I would not include Rush since they were not part of the original English wave of prog (I don't like leaving them out myself but to me it makes sense since they were influenced by the other bands). So I would have it as:

Yes
Genesis
ELP
King Crimson
Jethro Tull
Pink Floyd

If PF should be omitted due to not being prog enough then I would put in Gentle Giant instead. Wink


As for Paul's list it's weird to me that IQ would be included but not Marillion (or even Porcupine Tree for that matter). 


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I would argue for the bands whose presence and popularity led to the creation of the term "prog" and "progressive rock" and not for a definition or list that is based on how we now choose to define the term, 50+ years later; i.e. the bands that lent themselves to the phenomenon of "stadium rock."
ELP
Jethro Tull
Pink Floyd
Yes
and, eventually, the Kings of the Heap,
Genesis and Rush. 

Neither King Crimson or Van Der Graaf Generator could ever sell tickets in numbers like the above six.



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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by TexasKing TexasKing wrote:

Since progness of Pink Floyd is very questionable I wouldn't include them in the Big Six.

So, these bands are the Big Six of prog rock, in my view:

Yes
Genesis
King Crimson
Rush (most successful out of the Big Six during their prog phase and they had a wider appeal than other bands probably due to hard rock roots/elements)
ELP
Jethro Tull






I would not include Rush since they were not part of the original English wave of prog (I don't like leaving them out myself but to me it makes sense since they were influenced by the other bands). So I would have it as:

Yes
Genesis
ELP
King Crimson
Jethro Tull
Pink Floyd

If PF should be omitted due to not being prog enough then I would put in Gentle Giant instead. Wink


As for Paul's list it's weird to me that IQ would be included but not Marillion (or even Porcupine Tree for that matter). 
Totally agree with your "Big Six", although my personal preference would be to substitute Camel for Jethro Tull, and on the subject of Marillion and Porcupine Tree, at least they came top of the PA poll in a list of favourite modern prog bands.  Thumbs Up
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King Crimson
Yes
Genesis
Pink Floyd
Emerson Lake & Palmer
Gentle Giant

That's the run-down for me.

Edited by Rednight - August 02 2022 at 13:08
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Not sure if I ever commented on this earlier, but:

Genesis
King Crimson
Rush
Pink Floyd
Jethro Tull
Yes

Gentle Giant and Moody Blues would be very close runner-ups Smile
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