Roe v Wade overturned

JD wrote: I no longer seek or accept work south of the border.

Could you elaborate what that work is? Are you also not traveling south of the border anymore? We'll miss you!! 

Edited by Grumpyprogfan - June 28 2022 at 09:04

BaldFriede wrote: We are both shocked about how the USA appear to be drifting back in time. What is next on the agenda? Banning same-sex marriage? Black people having to stand in the bus again? Returning to slavery? Women no longer having the right to vote? As a same-sex couple we would definitely no longer feel safe in the USA.

Yes it's sad. When the orange clown was president things in the USA started on a downhill decline.

Edited by Grumpyprogfan - June 28 2022 at 08:37

progaardvark wrote: It's possible that overturning Roe could be challenged some day on the basis of religious discrimination, as per these articles: https://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-groups-gear-up-to-battle-abortion-bans-after-roe-overturned/ https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/1/26/us-muslim-advocates-weigh-in-on-abortion-rights-battle Kind of ironic, given the tragedy of what's happened. And we have a few more cases to be deeply concerned about in the coming weeks, like the West Virginia v. EPA case which could make federal agencies' abilities to regulate very difficult.  https://www.eenews.net/articles/supreme-court-climate-case-might-end-regulation/

Unfortunately, I feel that these arguments are academic as it's the SCOTUS which would ultimately decide any lawsuits arising from these religious groups. And that's if they even decide to hear them, which is unlikely.

Edited by SteveG - June 28 2022 at 07:09

Easy Money wrote: Seems to me that if a state was really serious about banning all abortions, that not only would pregnant women have to register with the state, and then be subject to twice a month visits from a social worker to make sure the pregnant woman was doing everything to insure a birth rather than a miscarriage on purpose. But, home pregnancy tests would have to be outlawed too, this would insure that women would have to go to state approved pregnancy doctors to find out if they are pregnant or not. Once a doctor determines if you are pregnant, then by law they would have to register said pregnant woman with the state so that she can be monitored. If states are really serious about enforcing no abortions, I bet anti-abortion laws will become unpopular quickly. Right now it seems nobody is really thinking through how much government intrusion is going to be necessary to make abortion illegal, not to mention the endless court battles over miscarriages.

Archisorcerus wrote: The Black Moor wrote: Human life begins at conception. This is a scientific and biological fact. It is not merely a religious belief. An atheist can (and should) be against abortion. Why so anthropocentric? It also largely comes from religious beliefs. We are just animals, nothing more, in reality. What do you say when vegans accuse you of being a "murderer" for eating meat? Same stuff, really, in essence. These are moot things. I can confidently say that any plant deserves a good life too, if I have to. They also love their lives, even if they don't feel pain. Their zest for life could even be unmatched.

Seems to me that if a state was really serious about banning all abortions, that not only would pregnant women have to register with the state, and then be subject to twice a month visits from a social worker to make sure the pregnant woman was doing everything to insure a birth rather than a miscarriage on purpose.

But, home pregnancy tests would have to be outlawed too, this would insure that women would have to go to state approved pregnancy doctors to find out if they are pregnant or not. Once a doctor determines if you are pregnant, then by law they would have to register said pregnant woman with the state so that she can be monitored.

If states are really serious about enforcing no abortions, I bet anti-abortion laws will become unpopular quickly. Right now it seems nobody is really thinking through how much government intrusion is going to be necessary to make abortion illegal, not to mention the endless court battles over miscarriages.

Edited by Easy Money - June 29 2022 at 09:56

The Black Moor wrote: Human life begins at conception. This is a scientific and biological fact. It is not merely a religious belief. An atheist can (and should) be against abortion.

Why so anthropocentric? It also largely comes from religious beliefs. We are just animals, nothing more, in reality.

What do you say when vegans accuse you of being a "murderer" for eating meat?

Same stuff, really, in essence.

These are moot things. I can confidently say that any plant deserves a good life too, if I have to. They also love their lives, even if they don't feel pain. Their zest for life could even be unmatched.

Edited by Archisorcerus - June 27 2022 at 01:18

I do suppose that an argument could be made that early on when it’s just a clump of cells, then maybe it isn’t a person and could be aborted if you caught it that early. But I do think that once it reaches the point where it actually has a heart beat and a brain that can think, then it is a person at that point and it should not be killed.