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    Posted: May 22 2022 at 14:49
I love a good live album; I love an album that makes me feel in the middle of things with musicians playing and an audience appreciating it. For me many bands have live albums that are better than any of their studio output. Of course "better" is very subjective here, as one could say that a live album that has mainly or only tracks released on studio albums before will always lose out on originality, but let's just forget about that aspect here. What are the live albums you love to listen to more than to any studio album of the same band?

Here are some to start with:
Kraan - Live
Grobschnitt - Solar Music Live
Hoelderlin - Live Traumstadt
Guru Guru - Live (is it a German thing??)
Transatlantic - Whirld Tour 2010

Probably more controversial, but on my list anyway, are
Yes - Yessongs
Genesis - Live
Gentle Giant - Playing the Fool
Renaissance - Live at Carnegie Hall (just about)

There are more but for now I leave it at these.
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I almost always prefer live albums to studio albums. But even having said that, I’m not sure how many live albums I could honestly say I prefer over ALL the studio albums of a band. At least, not when it comes to prog, as bands like Pearl Jam or Dave Matthews Band routinely come out with live albums that are better (for me) than any of their studio albums.

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Zappa - Roxy & Elsewhere and Roxy the Movie
Chick Corea Trio - Trilogy 2
The Aristocrats - Culture Clash Live
Big Big Train - Reflectors of Light
Mike Keneally Band - Guitar Therapy Live
Haken - L-1VE
Dream Theater - Scenes from New York
Pat Metheny Group - The Road to You, The Way Up and Imaginary Day
Echolyn - Stars and Gardens
Peter Gabriel - Secret World Live
Allan Holdsworth - Live in Japan 1984
Rush - Rush in Rio
Todd Rundgren - Live in Japan
Alice Cooper - Brutally Live
Sting - All This Time
Spock's Beard - Snow Live
The Bears - Live at Club Cafe
Eric Clapton - Unplugged
Zappa Plays Zappa
Stevie Ray Vaughan - Live From Austin, Texas
Kansas - Device Voice Drum
Gentle Giant - Playing the Fool
Dixie Dregs - Bring 'Em Back Alive

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 22 2022 at 15:17
^Cool list!
It's true more than one live album of a band can better all studio albums. In case of Kraan also their second live album Tournee does that.
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Mats/Morgan Band - Live
The Nice - Elegy
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Grumpyprogfan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 22 2022 at 15:21
Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

^Cool list!
It's true more than one live album of a band can better all studio albums. In case of Kraan also their second live album Tournee does that.
Thanks. You introduced me to Kraan. I need to check out their live albums.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Saperlipopette! Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 22 2022 at 15:49
I haven't got much (especially not prog), but maybe these

Kollektiv - SWF Sessions Vol. 5
Phil Cohran And The Artistic Heritage Ensemble – The Spanish Suite
Music Inc. - Live at Slugs', Volume 1
Bill Evans - Sunday at the Village Vanguard
John Handy - Recorded Live at the Monterey Jazz Festival
Ahmad Jamal - Freeflight (but I love plenty more Jamal just as much - more live albums as well)
Yusef Lateef - Live at Pep's Volume Two (same as Jamal)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 22 2022 at 17:25
Another "big 6" candidate are Pink Floyd... I'd choose the live album of Ummagumma over any single disc they've done.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Progmind Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 22 2022 at 20:42
Queenrysche Operation Livecrime much better than Operation Mindcrime

I agree with you Lewian about Gentle Giant Playing The Fool, it´s my fav record of GG  over any studio disc
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Meet the Flower Kings is arguably better than any of their studio albums. It contains much of their greatest work, and the sound quality is excellent.

Arguably one of the King Crimson live albums is in this category, but I probably don't agree. I tend to prefer studio albums due to generally better sound quality and the more perfectionist approach.
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If the question was a little less absolute than "better than all", but rather "as great as any studio album, I'd include: Can - The Peel Sessions and Tangerine Dream - Ricochet, Encore... some Magma...

Btw, I've learned that most jazz artists generally not considered amongst the avant garde or cutting edge, often got some spectacular live albums that surpasses pretty much all their studio stuff. Like the already mentioned Ahmad Jamal (try also Outertimeinnerspace) and Yusef Lateef (Live at Pep's Vol. 1 are equally reccomended), Bobbi Humphrey - Live at Montreux and oh my god Herbie Mann (At The Village Gate, Returns to The Village Gate, Monday Night at the Village Gate, The Wailing Dervishes, New Mann at Newport, Live at the Whiskey a Go-Go...)

...also Live at Montreux,The Wailing Dervishes, Live at the Whiskey a Go-Go, Recorded Live at the Monterey Jazz Festival... are pretty much jazzrock-fusion albums by artists not normally associated with fusion & Kollektiv of course is th real prog deal 






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To continue the German connection:

Frumpy - Live

And, as a band related to Frumpy (three musicians play on both albums), though not prog:

Atlantis - Live at Fabrik. Absolutely brilliant live album.



Here the first track ("Friends") of that live album:


And the final track (my personal favourite):




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Interesting thread. Contrary to Nick, I generally prefer studio albums, but there are some exceptions... And, sometimes live albums are also a kind of "best of" compilations.

- Agree on Hoelderlin and on Grobschnitt's Solar Music Live (although I would take Rockpommels's Land with it to a desert island...).
- Yessongs is indeed a wonderful rendition of Yes at that time, but they did some other splendid, and very different, studio albums after that, so I'm less sure about elevating it "above" all of their studio efforts.
- Incontestably, to me: Deep Purple - Live in Japan. Also because I find most of their studio albums (apart from maybe their first ones) rather inconsistent (this might be the same regarding Uriah Heep, but I must admit that - I think - I never listened to one of their live albums).
- Barclay James Harvest - Live; and also Berlin, A Concert for the People.
- Omega - Live at the Kisstadion '79
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Forgot to include Talking Heads - Stop Making Sense. Brilliant live album and the video is even better.
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My initial thought was "none", but then I recalled a live album which I had said was my favourite album from the group:
 
 

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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

I love a good live album; I love an album that makes me feel in the middle of things with musicians playing and an audience appreciating it. For me many bands have live albums that are better than any of their studio output. Of course "better" is very subjective here, as one could say that a live album that has mainly or only tracks released on studio albums before will always lose out on originality, but let's just forget about that aspect here. What are the live albums you love to listen to more than to any studio album of the same band?

Here are some to start with:
Kraan - Live
Grobschnitt - Solar Music Live
Hoelderlin - Live Traumstadt
Guru Guru - Live (is it a German thing??)
...
Hi,

Heck, the AD2 album "Live in London" is exceptional, and the only live album of theirs that is outstanding, in that the band is really on it, as opposed to some of the later stuff that is not cohesive at all, and likely lacked some more rehearsal ... but even in that Italian live video they were very good, were it not for some horrible sound moments with Chris Karrer not having his instrument plugged, and him having to search for it to start working so he could play it. A very sad moment, and it reminds me of OZRIC TENTACLES here in Portland, when they were coming through and I made sure a month earlier warn them in their website about Portland not knowing how to do keyboards (they can only do straight rock music!!!!!! and it is the reason for so much crap in the bars!) ... and sure enough ... Silas' keyboards were in and out all the time, and missing half the time. 10 years earlier Seaweed had the same issue with it at La Luna!

In general, in the early days, the OZRICS were better LIVE than on the record, considering that almost all of their 3 or 4 first albums, all came from the live material. But after John left, the band was still nice, but I don't think they were as well stretched out as they had been before ... and since then, it is just another rock band out there, with a nice guitarist ... who obviously can not do anything else other than his own ideas. Not bad, mind you, but the "liveliness" that it had before has not been there for 20 years!

One other special ... person. STEVIE RAY VAUGHN was great on stage, and for my tastes blew out any studio album. It is far out and impressive to see him do it on the stage ... and he deserves the touch and accolades that he gained in his lifetime. I was lucky enough to see him with Robert Cray, and on that night, Robert was just another rhythm guitar, because Stevie was on fire!

I was thinking NEKTAR. Their album "Sounds Like This" is EXACTLY what you got on stage. And when we saw them (Remember the Future first tour), they were note clean on all the material all the way through. It was uncanny, and it really made the albums come alive in your heart. You knew the band was true to its music live or not.

Possibly the kings of the LIVE stuff, would have to be THE GRATEFUL DEAD. No band EVER has had more fans trading shows and enjoying the material, even though it was bit here bit there different all the time ... it wasn't a problem for their fans ... of course this is something that PA fans can never appreciate (as much as it was then!!!!) anyway, since they like their stars to sound like the albums complete with auto tune and everything else.


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Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

My initial thought was "none", but then I recalled a live album which I had said was my favourite album from the group:
 
 



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Hawkwind - Space Ritual & Deep Purple - Made In Japan are the two immediate examples that spring to mind.
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