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Psychedelic Paul
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Your profile picture inspired me to buy Marillion's marvellous Marbles album yesterday, which doubled by Marillion collection overnight. Also, thanks for your excellent 5-star review of the album.
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Jared
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Well, I've returned from the recently revamped Chez Robin (quarter to one!!) and had my first coffee.
As you can imagine, Karnataka were very enjoyable and put on a solid show. As usual, no support, on stage 8.30, a 2 hour set comprising material mostly from Flame, Light & Angels, with a 30 minute break, finishing just after 11. Around 90 in the audience, with precious few under 50.. New vocalist Sertari has an excellent, mid-range Mezzo voice (not sure where Ian finds them) which is very powerful and comes across really well live. They played quite a bit off 'Gathering Light' and in terms of vocal range, Lisa's material is where she is the most natural fit. By contrast (and this is purely subjective) she can't replicate the earlier Rachel material; her voice is too powerful for the delicate, frail, ethereal sounds created there... Delicate Flame was anything but, with the drummer also being too prominent. In time, when they create more new material around her, I'm sure she will come into her own, but I hope that they can move on and leave the Rachel material behind; it is after all, 20 years old now and no-one can do justice to the nature of that material as well as her. On this subject, they played 3 new tracks, all fairly expansive. Two will require further listens, but the 10 minuter, 'Forgiven', they played prior to the break is really excellent and one to look forward to on a forthcoming album. At present, they are a four piece and to be honest, Ian really does need to find himself a keyboard player, rather than playing to a backing recording; it's just too integral to their sound. A final word for their guitarist; not sure how Ian managed to get Luke Machin (The Tangent/ Cyan/ It Bites/ Maschine) on board, but he's of course a real talent; I just hope they write more progressive, guitar oriented material like 'Forgiven', for him to shine....
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lazland
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cheers, Steve
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Jared
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Thanks Steve; of course I will..
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Great stuff JD... have lovely day on Thurs, whatever you are doing and I'm quite sure you'll enjoy your festival.
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SteveG
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Great stuff again, Steve! A real eye full!
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lazland
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hey both - many happy returns to both of you. Have a great time at your respective events, and Jared let us know how Karnataka were. Nice to see Ian back with this.
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^Mine's on Thursday...I don't have tickets for anything. But who cares...I'm the Main Stage Manager for the OJBF. The Orangeville Blues and Jazz Festival starts on June 3rd and I get a weekend of great live music FREE ! This year...Friday Night's main act is The Legendary Downchild Blues Band and on Saturday Night the main act is 2010's Best New Band winner of the Maple Blues Award and 2016 Juno Nominee Blackburn then Sunday closes with 2022 Blues Album of the Year Juno Nominee Miss Emily. 13 bands overall on the main stage Friday to Sunday.
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Jared
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^^ You really do have the bit between your teeth Steve, I'll take a look soon.
Incidentally, it's my birthday tomorrow and Sue has bought me a ticket for Karnataka at Robin2 tomorrow night!
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lazland
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Review of
Lighthouse Sparrows debut album, Aerials, added to Album Reviews of 2022 page. Video of
the Week updated - live Procol Harum (Salty Dog & Old English Dream) New
reviews of Frost*, Lifesigns, and Steven Wilson added to 2021 on Album Reviews by
Year Page (scroll down to bottom of page). New
review of Big Big Train Empire (live DVD) added to 2020. New
review of Jon Anderson 1000 Hands added to 2019. New
reviews of Harvest & Yes added to 2014. Ale of
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First part of album reviews of 2011 added to Album Reviews By Year Page. There are quite a few more to follow.
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Why, thank you!
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Oooo … you’re giving Rivertree a run for his money. Just teasing. Both are beautifully crafted sites I will peruse from time to time.
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If bands like Yes, Genesis, or King Crimson (not to mention most other bands) changed their names every time a band member left, I suspect our database would have at least 5 times the number of bands that we already have listed. It is always an interesting discussion though. At what point is the band no longer "that" band.
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Jared
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A very interesting post, Steve. Yes I agree that names do matter in the commercial world of music, whatever level you are at. I can think of a metal band who released two very popular melodic albums with one singer before going onto a hiatus, then when they reformed, they changed their style quite considerably to suit the darker, harsher vocals of their new frontman, Again, it was suggested that they really should have changed their name, except that the record company knew they would sell more albums and get bigger festival billings with the original one, irrespective of the nature of the material... but your point about Marillion has made me digress.
Back on topic, I think at heart every musician, certainly within the field of progressive rock, wants to develop and experiment with different sounds and styles, rather than rehashing the same thing for a decade; most barely get paid enough to make a living out of the music they make these days, so they want to fulfil themselves through artistic expression, The question is how to do so? Some will wish to work with a wide variety of musicians, but others have a closer circle of friends with which to do so. This is where we can judge them by double standards, where we might criticise artists who may stay part of the main band which remains essentially consistent to it's core fans and avoids pushing the envelope. In this case, whilst setting up side projects to fulfil this need. On the other hand we applaud others who try to push their main vehicle through an evolution of styles and experimentation? Again, just a thought...
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lazland
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Well, this evolves the discussion, in the finest tradition of prog
As an example about bands keeping their name, I will example Marillion as opposed to Genesis. Many of us, and I am one, thought that they should have changed their name when Fish left and h joined. The band themselves thought seriously about it, but egos came into play, and I have referenced before Q magazine when they reviewed Afraid of Sunlight stating that if any band aside from the name Marillion had released it, it would have been a worldwide smash. Unfortunately, names matter in our commercial world. Yes most certainly should have retained the Cinema label when 90125 was released. I loved that album, and still do. It was such a radical departure from “traditional” Yes, and was all the better for it. My problem with Yes in recent years post Anderson is that they have tried to recreate a sound and feel that cannot be recreated. Its time has passed. Having said all of this, I do think that there is a linear between Trespass and Abacab, and Yes and 90125. They are the same bands, but they have progressed. They have tried something new with each release, that don’t want to stand still. They don’t want to release an album which sounds anything like themselves.
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I can imagine we can all agree that if Gabriel hadn't have left after Lamb, then the next album wouldn't have sounded like ATOTT, and again if Hackett had stayed, ATTWT would have sounded more complex and multi-layered, whilst they wouldn't have released anything like Duke. Of course, we are entering glorious 'what if' territory where we can only speculate. What we can say is that Genesis, like most other bands after a significant departure, adjusted their sound to their strengths whilst maintaining their artistic integrity.
What I find interesting is Genesis were lauded for evolving their sound (even if it was eventually in a direction disapproved of by most prog fans) rather than treading water, but were they right to keep the name? I'm just asking an open question here because if a band evolves too much, are they still the same band or become a different entity? The band which released Trespass was quite different artistically from the one which released Abacab. Which begs the question, should Yes have changed their name to Cinema when they released 90125? To come back to PSA then, I'm guessing it became a side project for a number of SB band members, because the sound was sufficiently removed from the material on Noise Floor, so they came up with a new name. But, what if they had released a couple of albums under the name of Spock's which showed a clear evolution toward the sound of PSA... would you have praised them then for moving forward and not just staying content with churning out similar albums? Just something for you to ponder..
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lazland
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I think this is a really interesting question, and it goes to the heart of peoples love of music and tastes down the ages. As an example, I will discuss Genesis, universally appreciated as one of the classics of prog rock bands in the 70’s, but derided by many so called prog fans in the 80’s onwards as having “sold out”. Gabriel left Genesis in 1975 after The Lamb. When he returned to recording studio albums and new music, it sounded bugger all like his parent band. Especially after Melt. Genesis deliberately released a couple of symphonic albums in ATOTT and WAW. When Hackett left, they again deliberately released albums which were seriously divergent from those. Whether you liked those albums, or not, is somewhat besides the point. The point is that what was released was different. If Genesis had released ten albums sounding exactly like Foxtrot or SEBTP, or The Lamb, I would have grown very bored very quickly. If Ghost Toast do something similar, i.e. do something different, then the Laz glass will be raised as high as it is tonight.
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I get where you are coming from Steve but on the other side of the coin, is it fair to expect to expect bands of considerable longevity to constantly moving forward, reinventing themselves and saying something new with each album? As an example, many have derided Dream Theater for trotting out only a slight variation on a well worn formula, until the released the Astonishing... which frankly wasn't. Ultimately, these bands have essentially the same personnel and they know what works for them and their fan base and a change of direction can come at a reputational risk. I remember seeing SB on their first mini UK tour supporting Day For Night and they really were revelatory, but after 13 studios, they aren't going to deviate from their sound. Maybe Ghost Toast do win hands down (you can raise a glass to this weeks toast!) but after 10 studio albums, will they still be taking you somewhere else??
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lazland
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Right, some fantastic posts here, so.
Nick’s review of Ghost Toast is what attracted me to the band, and it really is an album for our times. Exceptional music and an exceptional review from Nick which got me there. As for PSA, I absolutely get why people like it. I like commercial prog, and should perhaps put some quotes in on that description, but I like, more than anything else, something different, something new. Scott referred to AOR, which is a very wide ranging description of music, and I love a lot of stuff which is disparaged by “purists”, but I do want it to be original, and that was my issue with PSA. It wasn’t. I must also admit to becoming very sceptical of recent TFK, Transatlantic, and Beard stuff because there is nothing excitingly new there. I crave something which takes me somewhere else, and on that basis Ghost Toast this week wins hands down. I might add, BTW, that my review this forthcoming weekend of Lighthouse Sparrows album will be equally praising. It is a wonderfully original album.
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