Abortion

A great quote from a past Tory MP (George Young) was 



Edited by Davesax1965 - May 05 2022 at 08:50

SteveG wrote: ^ There's much to be said about that statement. I've always felt that conservatives have more regard for unborn fetuses than they they do for the sick and the poor. I hope I'm mistaken, but I doubt it..

They do think that about the poor. I don't think you're mistaken on that. They tend to think poverty is a choice, and people just need to 'pull themselves up by the boot straps' In a recent FB debate about the cost of living crisis in the UK, one conservative piped up that people should stop moaning about the salaries of CEO's. The solution being to simply 'become a CEO' yourself.

How can you take away a woman's right to do what she wants with her body, yet any psycho can legally buy an assault rifle to murder innocent people? It makes me embarrassed and ashamed to be an American. 

siLLy puPPy wrote: SteveG wrote: siLLy puPPy wrote: ^ women can still get pregnant on the pill. There is no birth control that is 100% effective. That's obvious, but the main problem is lower income women going without. A lot of them. We need to do better in that regard. You said birth control should've made abortion a thing of the past so if it's obvious you wouldn't have made that comment. Whatever the case i don't really get involved in this topic often because it's basically the blind leading the blind. Firstly, in the modern world self-induced morning after contraception is easily obtained through natural herbal remedies. Secondly, there is a difference between the US Republic and the US corporation. Only corporate franchises aka citizens are subject to the corporate policies. True most are still woefully unaware of these escape mechanisms but in the last few years the # of US nationals who have redesignated their status has risen from a mere 50 thousand to over 5 million. In other words if  you are not a corporate franchise of the parent corporation then absolutely ZERO of their policies apply. Yeah it's more complicated when ignorance is the norm but in terms of legal jurisdiction it is true. This means abortion is a privacy right. Privacy does not exist when one is subject to the rules and regulations of a corporation through contractual consent. Once these contracts are rescinded there is no jurisdiction of the three tiers of law that apply therefore abortion is a private matter outside of the jurisdiction of the UCC (Uniform Commercial Code) which is the basis for Maritime Admiralty Law which is what all nation states are based upon.

Sorry I couldn't answer you in detail yesterday Mr. Pup, but you're condescending tone of "blind leading the blind" puts you in a class with the crayon wielding Mr. Trane. No drug or medical treatment is 100% effective and that includes herbal remedies. But contraception has more than one aspect, namely:




Edited by SteveG - May 05 2022 at 06:18

CosmicVibration wrote: Freedom! Your body your choice.  That should include any substance, chemical or natural, that you want to ingest; or not.   Your body your choice. You want to implant hardware or technology, your body your choice.  However, you should never be coerced.  Being coerced into injecting an unproven new technology into your body should be a criminal offense!  Even if it was proven safe and effective, coercion is not freedom of choice.

Freedom!

Your body your choice.  That should include any substance, chemical or natural, that you want to ingest; or not.   Your body your choice.

You want to implant hardware or technology, your body your choice.  However, you should never be coerced.  Being coerced into injecting an unproven new technology into your body should be a criminal offense!  Even if it was proven safe and effective, coercion is not freedom of choice.

SteveG wrote: It's amazing to me that abortion is still a thing in the 21st century. Birth control, which is not on the chopping block, should have made abortions a thing of the past. I'm not saying this for victims of rape or in cases of abortions for medically necessary means, but somehow we've dropped the ball on women getting pregnant when they don't want to. In most instances, there is no excuse for it. Planned Parenthood and other social programs supply the pill or other means at virtually no cost. Wtf?

siLLy puPPy wrote: ^ women can still get pregnant on the pill. There is no birth control that is 100% effective.

That's obvious, but the main problem is lower income women going without. A lot of them. We need to do better in that regard.

Edited by SteveG - May 04 2022 at 08:42

It's amazing to me that abortion is still a thing in the 21st century. Birth control, which is not on the chopping block, should have made abortions a thing of the past. I'm not saying this for victims of rape or in cases of abortions for medically necessary means, but somehow we've dropped the ball on women getting pregnant when they don't want to. In most instances, there is no excuse for it. Planned Parenthood and other social programs supply the pill or other means at virtually no cost. Wtf?