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lazland
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nick_h_nz
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It’s a matter of taste, and so long as we recognise that it is a subjective opinion of what is better, it’s not hooey. I find British beers more to my taste than US beers, so I can say I find them better. That doesn’t mean I don’t like US beers, and obviously because I don’t live in the US, what US beers I have tried is only a small percentage of what is available.
But I have had a lot of NZ craft beers, and a lot of NZ brewers tend to take after the US style of craft brewing than the UK, which does give me a little more basis on which to feel more confident about saying I prefer UK style beers to US style beers. The best beers I have tasted are either UK beers, or NZ beers in the UK style. I have tasted some mighty fine US beers, and NZ beers in the US style - but the best UK beers beat the best US (or US style) hands down. The funny thing, to me, about UK and US beer styles is that it is similar to so much else between the two countries. The UK conforms to the stereotype of being subtle, and the US to the stereotype of being in your face. Depending on what flavour you like, and how you want to taste it, has a lot to do with whether one prefers UK or US beer. |
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lazland
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Interesting conversation. I am a huge fan of classic real ale in the UK, but I am not particularly fond of many of the trendy “hipster” craft beers which have sprung up in recent times. My son very kindly purchased half a dozen of these from Cardigan for my Christmas present, and at least three of them were undrinkable.
I like the beers of Malta a great deal, both the lager-like Cisk (perfect in the midday sun) and the more hoppy Hopleaf, a rather good ale and the only decent one I have had outside the UK. My experience of American beer is very limited. I have never been there. All I will say is that I hate the corporate “beers” such as Budweiser and that bloody awful Canadian goose piss whose name I forget. However, I am absolutely confident that my very learned and tasteful friends here on PA will be drinking proper beers, brewed in proper ways.
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nick_h_nz
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Craft beer can mean quite different things in different countries. Certainly, in the UK, anything labelled craft, I tend to approach with a great deal of caution. There are a lot of UK craft beers that are not at all to my liking. It’s entirely possible (perhaps even probably) that people on either side of the Atlantic have vastly different ideas of what craft beer is.
Brewers have always experimented and innovated, but the difference between craft beer or not in the UK is often a similar difference between subtlety and over the top flavours that I already alluded to in the difference between many UK and US brewers. That doesn’t mean I don’t like it, by the way. There are some craft brews in the UK that I love, but they also tend to be the ones that may well have crossed the line, but haven’t left it too far behind. |
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Anyway, cheers to good beer and good health. Edited by Grumpyprogfan - April 24 2022 at 07:04 |
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nick_h_nz
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When people speak about US beer tasting like piss, they tend to mean the mass-brewed lagers like Bud - which do tend to be pretty gosh darn awful. I’m yet to taste one of those that I like. But lagers brewed by micro-brewers and craft-brewers tend to be full of flavour. I’ve met a lot of US craft beer drinkers that find a lot of UK real ales flavourless and/or bland, simply because their palate is used to the full on flavours of so many US craft beers. When you say craft beer to you is a brew with flavour, then you seem to be leaning towards what I already said is the difference between UK and US tastes, when it comes to beer. Craft brewers definitely make you notice and appreciate the art taken in the brewing process - but UK drinkers tend to like subtlety, and US drinkers in-your-face. All taste for beer is subjective by nature, but that subjectivity can be affected by a number of things outside an individual’s control, and the brewing trends of where in the world one drinks is one such thing. |
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lazland
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More primo stuff, Steve. Your blog has a become an early morning favorite!
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lazland
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Thanks Steve, very much. I think you will enjoy later this week my report of our”taproom takeover” by the founder of Evan Evans brewery. This was supposed to be last week, but somebody cocked up the beer delivery. Anyhow, we will be sampling five ales. I will be asking the missus to keep copious notes in case I become incapable of doing so!
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Can't help feeling you've got a good one there, Steve!
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lazland
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Absolutely Jared. In all seriousness, I count my blessings each and every day.
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Sometimes I wish I was into this beer stuff more......Never was a big beer or alcohol guy, I have not a clue what all the jargon means. All I know is I tried a beer that was really dark colored and I about puked my innards, hideous tasting.....
I can only drink beer that is very pale in color and that does not measure an 11 in bitter taste scale of 1-10.
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nick_h_nz
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You’d quite possibly like some more UK-style beers. Definitely a lot of US brewers tend to focus on the hops and bitterness, and there are a fair few beers out there measuring at least 11 on a scale of 1-10. But regardless of where you are drinking, there is an enormous difference in flavour profiles both between the various types of beer, and even within them. That difference is even greater when seen between geographic regions. Generally speaking, for example, I don’t particularly like UK brown ales, but I almost always love Belgian brown ales. |
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lazland
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And to add to this, I cannot abide stouts or porters, the really dark ales. Guinness disagrees with just about every cell in my body. I will drink Newcastle Brown Ale if there is nothing else on tap, only the utterly undrinkable and disgusting keg creamflow processed bitters.
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nick_h_nz
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I love stouts and porters, but not Guinness. But then again, the Guinness you get in bars is nothing like any stout you’d get from a real ale brewer. Like the creamflow bitters, it has nitrogen added (to give it the creamflow), and it just tastes….meh. Newky brown disagrees with me as much as Guinness does with you. It’s the most horrendous example of a brown ale, and almost put me off the style entirely. Probably because of what I grew up drinking, some of my favourite beers are UK ales brewed with NZ hop varieties, giving me flavours of the beers of both countries. Shepherd Neame makes some really nice beers using NZ hops, and one of them tastes very similar to one of my favourite NZ beers. But really, I am no great connoisseur. I like loads of different beers from loads of different breweries across the country. So long as they don’t experiment too much with flavour (I don’t need a hazy ipa flavoured with guava, thank you very much), I tend to find some degree of enjoyment. What I do find frustrating, is when one brewery is bought up by another. My most local big brewer, Greene King, is the worst for this. As much as they might claim that the taste is the same, it never is. GK make some alright beers, and some of the beers they brew under the name of the breweries they’ve taken over aren’t too dissimilar - but there are some beers I really enjoyed before they became GK, that really don’t taste the same at all now. |
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lazland
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Yes, Bass has not been the same since it was taken over by Marstons. Re Shepherd Neame, the only one we see around here is Spitfire, which I have always liked. We did have a holiday in Kent a few years ago and sampled some different brews from them which were great. With regard to nitrogen infested sh*te,absolutely. In fact, this will be the only question I will ask of politicians who come to m6 door grubbing for my vote in future - when will you ban this awful crap?
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Steve, I enjoyed the VM&J review. While not strictly prog, I enjoyed your take on this outside genre and it got me interested. Any chance of you doing a few non prog reviews in future. I'd love to read your take on an artist like Saxon.
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