Relentless America Bashing

Peter wrote:   Anyway, it seems that at any given time, a large number of people here (and even on other forums!) are pissed at me, others are patting me on the back, while the (perhaps wiser) majority sit it out, talk about (gasp!) prog, and wait for the storm to blow over. (I seem to be unable to "bite my tongue.") Time for me to take a break from all of this, I think, and "earn my keep" around here by writing some (much less controversial!) reviews. < (That "stern smile" is for myself!) Wonder how long my resolve will last -- as many of you know, this place can be highly addictive! TTYL

Oh Geez Peter...you better not be gone for long. Who cares what other think of America? What will I do without your wisdom and insight? Now I'll have to create another identity for this place. If I ,of all people on this forum , can saywho cares , then so can tolerant Peter.

Anyways I find their bashing ...well....imformative....and kind of endearing.

I have not yet heard "Dark Matter, but I understand some of the lyrics question some US policies. As such, the album and its contents are a legitimate topic for discussion here.

I don't percieve much anti American feeling in the IQ thread, other than some trolling by Miyaru, and some minor feeding of the trolls. I thought Lobster made some excellent points, and spoke in a considered and sensible way.

I don't think there is "Relentless American bashing" in the forum, but there will always be those who get their kicks from making inflamatory comments. If I had a penny for every time someone has suggested Scots are mean, I'd have nine pounds and fifty six pence by now, (which I could have invested at a good rate of interest too!)

Have a good break Peter, hurry back! Time you wrote a decent review anyway!

Peter wrote: Reed, if "they" speak up, they get ganged up on, stomped, and the situation escalates, or so history here would indicate. Passive resistance -- me, I'm a hot-head....

So,they keep their heads below the parapet.

That's called cowardice in my book.

I'd rather break wind in the Halls of the Mighty!

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sigod wrote:

'Britain's empire was an active one. The British actually went and lived in the places we stole from its indigenous populations. We build railways, cities, trade routes, forced entire nations to speak English over their native tongues, think like westerners and if they didn't, we killed their men and then their women and children. We did all this and then asked the survivors to serve us our tea. Britain has nothing to be proud of in this respect.'

Well, I'm with you on this, sigod, but this is how disagreements start. For many people our invading and raping of other cultures was 'helping' them and 'teaching' them how to be civilized, and to not live like savages. That is the old school take on the British empire.

It is ironic that Hitler was a great admirer of our empire and was inspired to strive for his own based on the model we had created. His vision was a world where Britain ruled the waves and Germany ruled the air, and together we went around kicking the arses of dark skinned people.

The comparisons with Nazi Germany are not flattering for Britain. The parallels between the Reichstag fire and 9/11 are even more shocking and inflammatory.

Sorry to stray off topic. Peace, goodwill and Pallas records to all men..

 

 

 

Reed Lover wrote: And what is wrong with Pallas?

Man, I'd forgotten how good an album cover that was and to top it all off, I like Americans too. The similarities between our culture and politics far outweigh our differences.

I do suspect however that what might drive many of these 'slanging matches' is that the UK used to be what America is now, A world power who is answerable to almost no-one. It didn't really work for us and subconsciously, I suspect many Britons wouldn't like a great nation like the USA to repeat those mistakes. In short, be proud of who you are but also be nice to people on your way up as you might meet them again on the way down.

Britain's empire was an active one. The British actually went and lived in the places we stole from its indigenous populations. We build railways, cities, trade routes, forced entire nations to speak English over their native tongues, think like westerners and if they didn't, we killed their men and then their women and children. We did all this and then asked the survivors to serve us our tea. Britain has nothing to be proud of in this respect.

As a result, we as a nation know from experience what the world looks like after losing your superpowers. It's a big playground with many pairs of eyes looking at you all saying the same thing 'Now for some payback'. That day might be many years from now and American citizens today my never see its nation's fall from power; but their children might. In the UK, my generation did.

I cannot speak for the many nations represented on this fantastic site but for me, it sometimes feels that, like many of the Eastern European countries in the last century, an iron curtain is slowly being built between the ancient, old and new world.

Anyway er...that Pallas album cover is great. 

 

 

And in the spirit of not bashing anyone I call you all to sing along with Pallas and hold your lighters aloft..

'All the world now, join hands as one..

The first time since the world has begun..

All the world, I'm calling you now. Join hands with me..

The first time since the world has begun..'

smell the cheese!!!!!

***singing***

All we are bleating
Is give fleece a chance

I am proud to be one of the wave upon wave of demented avengers, marching cheerfully out of obscurity into.....well, obscurity actually

Reed Lover wrote: Some of the adults here should try behaving like children occasionally

I resent the implication that I am not childish, and just to prove it, I shall scream & scream until I am sick, soil myself, then listen to my Pallas albums

Dammit - bloody Pallas rears it's ugly head again

Here we go again.

sighs..........................yawns........................ ..stretches.

As one who has never been frightened of running off at the mouth or keyboard I find all this unecessary. Why dont these people who are supposedly fed up with this so-called America bashing say so?

It seems to me that every fortnight or so, Peter stands up and informs us that "they are fed up with this" or "certain one's of the old guard are increasingly disappearing because of that"

Who the hell are these people Peter and why don't they speak up for themselves in "public" instead of muttering away in the background (cosy PM's?)?

I thought that discussion, in this area of the forum, about America at the time of the Elections was relevant-for those that wanted to take part.

I agree that this subject is less relevant now, but there will always be people like myself who will jump in with remarks, for comedy value!

Why aren't these people more forthright with their objections? I made a very silly post last week and Jim slated me for it-he was right and I apologised, frankly and fully in my opinion.I also apologised to the person I upset. I didnt feel humiliated or threatened, because whilst sometimes I behave like a child, I am actually an adult. Some of the adults here should try behaving like children occasionally -they might have fun. Fun, remember that?

I think some people should re-read the discussions about why people dislike Prog Rock. Strangely enough, it may be because they dont want to be associated with the legion of stuffed-shirts who listen to it!

 

 

 

 

Edited by Reed Lover