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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

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Saw several but do not remember the names of most of them.  Last one was the documentary on Scientology. Never thought Scientology as a cult until I saw that documentary.  If even half of what was portrayed is true, then yea, it’s a cult.

Scientology is ultimate proof of how vulnerable some minds are. That organization is a malignancy on the human landscape. Sadly, some exceptional musicians (like Stanley Clarke, and Chick Corea) have been Scientologists.

...and Beck and Isaac Hayes and Johhny Winters and Leonard Cohen(!)...

I didn't know about Leonard Cohen.

Bassist Billy Sheehan is one, too.

And this guy. Wink




Tom Cruise and maybe even Richard Gere (not all that sure about the latter - he's in a sect, but maybe not Hubbard's).

I hear Cruise and Corea are being relentlessly pushy about joining up. Chick has even ejected musos from his band, because they told him off about his beliefs .

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The thing that is disturbing to me how close a cult is to the "safer" organized religions. There is only a small step between the two in some instances.
Religions are cults & sects that succeeded to the upper echelon of deceptiveness of gullible souls.
I don't like to tar all religions with the same brush. That's acting no better than those of the most intolerable of religions.


You can use all the brushes you like, as long as the layer is thick enough so the feathers stick on the tar. LOL


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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Tom Cruise and maybe even Richard Gere (not all that sure about the latter - he's in a sect, but maybe not Hubbard's).

Tom Cruise is the most high-profile Scieno, which is why I didn't mention them. You'd have to have spent the last fifty years in Antarctica to miss that one. (The same goes for Travolta, but I had to post that pic, haha.)

Gere has been a practicing Buddhist since the '70s. He's not in any kind of strange sect, AFAIK.

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I hear Cruise and Corea are being relentlessly pushy about joining up. Chick has even ejected musos from his band, because they told him off about his beliefs.

Joe Farrell famously rebuffed Chick's proselytizing.
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In essence, any and every religion is a cult. Religion rhymes with submission. And if you want that, then go for it. Not my thing, though.
There are many and many documentaries on cults and religions, just browse the imdb if you are really interested in it. I'm not going to serve you on this.

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In essence, any and every religion is a cult. Religion rhymes with submission. And if you want that, then go for it. Not my thing, though.
There are many and many documentaries on cults and religions, just browse the imdb if you are really interested in it. I'm not going to serve you on this.

Actually, this is the difference between a religion (church) and a cult:

One (the former) lets you leave. The other does not.
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Vineland had a cult practice and it wasn't good as some people living in the town began to panic over the disappearances of children..in particular Billy Jones who vanished when I was a kid. Some of the locals began spreading a rumor that a Satan cult abducted him.


The police had an idea that he was murdered and his body dumped or buried at the "Palace Of Depression " The Palace Of Depression was built by an eccentric George Daynor. The place itself looked bewitching and he built it out of junkyard parts and became a source of entertainment for children and teenagers on the weekends not unlike The Brigantine Castle or any other horror amusement in South Jersey.


The first occult crime in Vineland NJ was in 1957..but I'm certain to believe there were more in the past, it's just impossible to find the newspaper articles. Someone told me that the Menantico Cult ritual which took place in 1971..also took place in 1871 ..in the same area..and that I should find the newspaper article on microfiche. The library records do not date back that far and there are people who sware that they researched it in the 70s when supposedly the library did have the old articles readily available.
I find that to be strange

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In 1957 Juan Rivera Aponte of Vineland NJ was convicted for the murder of 13 year old Roger Carletto. He murdered Carletto to gain possession of his powdered skull as part of a Black Magic spell. Documented and an isolated case.


Something strange occurred in Vineland after the Menantico cult killing. Perhaps it was the year after the ritualistic killing at Menantico that it began. People started reporting cult sightings. They would describe a cult in robes walking people into the water. They were tied and bound and surfboarded in the face down position. ..so they could drown and return as a captain to rule over 40 leagues of demons. This occurred all through the remainder of the 70s. Why? Were they copy cats?

Why did they want to repeat the Menantico cult ritual? The Menantico cult were middle aged adults and only a few teenagers belonging. The copy cats were all teenagers who formed Satan cults on their own.


The 3rd Generation Watchtower Society held separate meetings or secret meetings where they tried to channel a demon through a young girl. They would place paper in front of the girl and a feathered pen in her writing hand. They would chant while the girl performed this kind of Automatic Writing. Then they would decipher the words . Other times they lowered the girl into a snake pit , standing above the pit chanting. The snakes were dead and not threatening to the girl...but it was a disturbing series of events. They were interested in a Luciferian practice no doubt and this took place off of Mill Road in Vineland. In Mill Woods to be precise.




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I remember hanging out at Brenner's Brew (closed now) in Bridgeton, NJ, and was talking about Michael Ford of Hexentanz and Luciferians and this tall dude comes from the back of the shop "What do you know about Luciferians??" I was a bit taken aback but spoke to him, which he proclaimed himself as a Luciferian. He turned out to be a rather frightening sort-stalking the owner of the shop and threatening certain of her friends. 
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

In essence, any and every religion is a cult. Religion rhymes with submission. And if you want that, then go for it. Not my thing, though.
There are many and many documentaries on cults and religions, just browse the imdb if you are really interested in it. I'm not going to serve you on this.

Actually, this is the difference between a religion (church) and a cult:

One (the former) lets you leave. The other does not.

Ever heard of apostasy for muslims?Ermm

They are killed if they leave islam. 

This was the same for christianity during the middle-ages. 
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

In essence, any and every religion is a cult. Religion rhymes with submission. And if you want that, then go for it. Not my thing, though.
There are many and many documentaries on cults and religions, just browse the imdb if you are really interested in it. I'm not going to serve you on this.

Actually, this is the difference between a religion (church) and a cult:

One (the former) lets you leave. The other does not.

Ever heard of apostasy for muslims?Ermm

They are killed if they leave islam. 

This was the same for christianity during the middle-ages.

I thought this thread was focused more on the present day. There's been all manner of evil perpetrated by humans "in the name of" numerous religions in times past (and today, of course). I'd rather this thread maintain its focus on the last century, on the weird cults therein, and documentaries.
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Originally posted by Jacob Schoolcraft Jacob Schoolcraft wrote:

The first occult crime in Vineland NJ was in 1957..but I'm certain to believe there were more in the past, it's just impossible to find the newspaper articles. Someone told me that the Menantico Cult ritual which took place in 1971..also took place in 1871 ..in the same area..and that I should find the newspaper article on microfiche. The library records do not date back that far and there are people who sware that they researched it in the 70s when supposedly the library did have the old articles readily available.
I find that to be strange

Very strange, indeed!

Originally posted by Jacob Schoolcraft Jacob Schoolcraft wrote:

The 3rd Generation Watchtower Society held separate meetings or secret meetings where they tried to channel a demon through a young girl. They would place paper in front of the girl and a feathered pen in her writing hand. They would chant while the girl performed this kind of Automatic Writing. Then they would decipher the words . Other times they lowered the girl into a snake pit , standing above the pit chanting. The snakes were dead and not threatening to the girl...but it was a disturbing series of events. They were interested in a Luciferian practice no doubt and this took place off of Mill Road in Vineland. In Mill Woods to be precise.

That's right out of a Corman film. Any links for further reading?
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

In essence, any and every religion is a cult. Religion rhymes with submission. And if you want that, then go for it. Not my thing, though.
There are many and many documentaries on cults and religions, just browse the imdb if you are really interested in it. I'm not going to serve you on this.

Actually, this is the difference between a religion (church) and a cult:

One (the former) lets you leave. The other does not.


Ever heard of apostasy for muslims?Ermm

They are killed if they leave islam. 

This was the same for christianity during the middle-ages.

I thought this thread was focused more on the present day. There's been all manner of evil perpetrated by humans "in the name of" numerous religions in times past (and today, of course). I'd rather this thread maintain its focus on the last century, on the weird cults therein, and documentaries.
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Why some people follow charismatic "leaders" is the real problem with cults, that in the present day extends to political figures too. I'm afraid that there is no set answer for this, just theories, unfortunately.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Meet the new cult, same as the old cult.

One man's fetish is another man's powdered skull. Wink
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Why some people follow charismatic "leaders" is the real problem with cults, that in the present day extends to political figures too. I'm afraid that there is no set answer for this, just theories, unfortunately.

Ain't that the truth.
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

In essence, any and every religion is a cult. Religion rhymes with submission. And if you want that, then go for it. Not my thing, though.
There are many and many documentaries on cults and religions, just browse the imdb if you are really interested in it. I'm not going to serve you on this.

Actually, this is the difference between a religion (church) and a cult:

One (the former) lets you leave. The other does not.

Ever heard of apostasy for muslims?Ermm

They are killed if they leave islam. 

This was the same for christianity during the middle-ages.

I thought this thread was focused more on the present day. There's been all manner of evil perpetrated by humans "in the name of" numerous religions in times past (and today, of course). I'd rather this thread maintain its focus on the last century, on the weird cults therein, and documentaries.


Apostasy (and fatwahs) for muslims is contemporaneous.... but then again islam started +/- 600 years later than christianity did... 
Soooo  islam could just have its own inquisition some 600 years after the christian one ended (so they said >> hundred of sorcerers and witches have been killed since) 

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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Jacob Schoolcraft Jacob Schoolcraft wrote:

The first occult crime in Vineland NJ was in 1957..but I'm certain to believe there were more in the past, it's just impossible to find the newspaper articles. Someone told me that the Menantico Cult ritual which took place in 1971..also took place in 1871 ..in the same area..and that I should find the newspaper article on microfiche. The library records do not date back that far and there are people who sware that they researched it in the 70s when supposedly the library did have the old articles readily available.
I find that to be strange

Very strange, indeed!

Originally posted by Jacob Schoolcraft Jacob Schoolcraft wrote:

The 3rd Generation Watchtower Society held separate meetings or secret meetings where they tried to channel a demon through a young girl. They would place paper in front of the girl and a feathered pen in her writing hand. They would chant while the girl performed this kind of Automatic Writing. Then they would decipher the words . Other times they lowered the girl into a snake pit , standing above the pit chanting. The snakes were dead and not threatening to the girl...but it was a disturbing series of events. They were interested in a Luciferian practice no doubt and this took place off of Mill Road in Vineland. In Mill Woods to be precise.


That's right out of a Corman film. Any links for further reading?



I'm having trouble finding it on YouTube. It's probably easier to Google Ravyn Guliani 3rd Generation Watchtower Society.
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I remember hanging out at Brenner's Brew (closed now) in Bridgeton, NJ, and was talking about Michael Ford of Hexentanz and Luciferians and this tall dude comes from the back of the shop "What do you know about Luciferians??" I was a bit taken aback but spoke to him, which he proclaimed himself as a Luciferian. He turned out to be a rather frightening sort-stalking the owner of the shop and threatening certain of her friends. 


Very creepy. I've been approached by several individuals belonging to cults over the years. I've been asked on several occasions to join which I turned down. The reason being that I always wore black. I played in many bands in the 70s and 80s and always wore black. Is that any reason to ask a person to join a cult? Idk? 😃 The response or immediate reaction from these characters would always be..."Oh..but I heard you practiced witchcraft " or.."But I hear you worshipped Satan"...but, but, but, but, l heard.. me, me, my, my, ...BS...pure BS... 😃
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Why some people follow charismatic "leaders" is the real problem with cults, that in the present day extends to political figures too. I'm afraid that there is no set answer for this, just theories, unfortunately.


What's scaring me nowadays are all the avatars of Zelensky and this worship
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Originally posted by MortSahlFan MortSahlFan wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Why some people follow charismatic "leaders" is the real problem with cults, that in the present day extends to political figures too. I'm afraid that there is no set answer for this, just theories, unfortunately.


What's scaring me nowadays are all the avatars of Zelensky and this worship
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I am not sure if this guy was part of anything, but he was eventually put in a mental hospital I believe. 
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https://www.nytimes.com/1971/06/22/archives/death-of-a-youth-in-jersey-linked-to-a-satanic-cult.html

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