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verslibre
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Thanks to IMDbTV, I was finally able to watch Holy Hell a few months ago. I had a fair bit of information and had seen the trailer and a number of photos (and stills taken from the documentary), but getting the other 90% of the turd pie was something else altogether. I've long had an interest in cults and even did a short presentation on them in my sociology class years ago. The big-name cults, like Scientology and the Moonies, mainly anger me now, while the smaller insular groups and sects like Buddhafield are more intriguing. The supernatural stranglehold the founder, Michel, had on his followers was incredible because he did so by carefully and patiently working on each one, individually — the physical aspect of the abuse came later. Everyone stayed voluntarily, many of them keeping careers and keeping Michel's fridge stocked, rent paid and ego stroked (and then some). And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
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Hugh Manatee
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The bigger the religion the more it becomes a Pyramid Scheme, with all the loot being channeled into the kings chamber.
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Hugh Manatee
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...and Beck and Isaac Hayes and Johhny Winters and Leonard Cohen(!)...
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verslibre
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I didn't know about Leonard Cohen. Bassist Billy Sheehan is one, too. And this guy. |
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Hugh Manatee
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Oh jeez, not this guy! In the late sixties, when Cohen was living in New York, he studied briefly at a Scientology center and emerged with a certificate that declared him 'Grade IV Release.'
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Jacob Schoolcraft
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One particular occult related story that is not covered on a YouTube video..is the story of the Bahia Vista...The Sandcastle in Egg Harbor Township N.J. It's structure was like a mansion /castle combined . F.W. Woolworth left the place to his sister Grace Hutton Middleton and his granddaughter Barbara Hutton used to visit ..spending time there....although this is the basic information you'll find everywhere on the internet...some people dispute this information.
In the 70s and 80s it was a night club. For a time it was called "Fire & Ice". One night I pulled in to check the place out. When I walked in I saw the staff dressed in black hooded cloaks and immediately thought it was some kind of gimmick or sales attraction pitch ...but at that moment I realized it wasn't Halloween ..so I had to rule that out. I thought.." Why are these people dressed like this?" "How would this be a way of doing business?" One of the staff members conversed with me about Barbara Hutton. He said that the room at the top of the castle was the "Spirit Room " and that Barbara Hutton spent hours in the Spirit Room communicating with the dead. I had heard this story before and people have said it's merely an urban legend. I noticed black mirrors throughout the castle . Probably no more than 5 or 6. ..but this has been disputed by others. About an hour later I in the parking lot loading instruments into my car when this strange girl showed up. She just stood there stroking a rodent. She was wearing a black cloak and holding a rat. Not something so uncommon to see when you attend "Mystery School "... I just wanted to get out of there. Everyone was wearing occult jewelry...symbols..I thought it was mysterious, but I never believed in the Easter Bunny..so why should I believe in this. These people acted delusional. It wasn't Halloween. It wasn't a Metal Club..so if it wasn't a gimmick..what was it ? A cult? It wasn't good and I left quickly. It was a nightmare |
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I worked with a woman who was a part of this cult. It seemed really innocuous, as it was bankrolled by a natural food restaurant (the Source) in Hollywood. But it was very insidious, from what I learned from my friend/co-worker. http://lifeinthesourcefamily.blogspot.com/2016/03/robin-baker.html Here is the link to a documentary about The Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9sLjXc0Tbs&ab_channel=Parable-ReligiousHistoryDocumentaries
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Any religion that is not all inclusive, I would stay away
from. If they teach exclusivity, it may
not be a cult, but it probably won’t do you any good either. If they claim that theirs is the only way or
that they are the chosen people, I would stay clear. |
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Wow, thanks for the link. I haven't seen the film, but an insider's viewpoint is always preferable. I scrolled the photographs at the second link. "Sex magick," eh?
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Snicolette
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There are some further interviews with the woman I worked with (Robin Baker), where she speaks more about how she realized later what a predatory person Jim Baker (Father Yod) was. There wasn't as much known about this sort of thing until later. |
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verslibre
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Yes, Yod-Baker was clearly a predator, just like Koresh (and Michel of Buddhafield). I saw the tidbit where he got the wonderful idea that he'd father a new "Aquarian master race" and how convenient it was that all these young women were there (in the cult).
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Pretty easy to see through, but there are people who are predisposed to falling for this, often from a difficult life prior. |
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Often...but not always. Check out the Buddhafield documentary Holy Hell. It's something else!
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Jacob Schoolcraft
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A good number of people joining cults..certainly not being born to that way of life...but having an interest to join ..nine hundred and nintety nine times out of a thousand enjoy being sadistic..or raping people...long before..when they were perhaps age 12. So then clearly they were a potential rapists or murderer in their childhood. Those intruding thoughts they had as a child were attractive to them. They join a cult to feel comfortable around other people who feel the same. It's usually a cult that practices ritual abuse.
A certain percentage of kids that suffer through ritual abuse become opposed to it and probably in their teen years they begin plotting an escape. I am friends with a few people that experienced this. One girl I know escaped and married a federal officer. She is well protected from the cult and their networking. These realities truly exist, but certain ritual abuse victims go public and unfortunately it can in fact be solely to make money. This is toxic to a number of people once they acknowledge that the victim has published a book. I get that..but that's no reason to trust in the publications industry. A lot of times their news story is bought and sold ..and far from the truth. People make profit off this subject matter. There are a handful of SRA abuse victims that form workshops and turn other ritual abuse victims lives around for the better. They make a lot of money, but they invest it into a good cause as well. I don't believe in the supernatural. I disbelieve in it when I look at people, hear their stories, and acknowledge their desire and cause to gain power. I think they're pretending to be something they are not. I see F.W. Woolworth's crypt and I get the idea he may have been an occultist and practitioner..just like I want to grow wings and fly. Some people in my life have expressed that it's dangerous to not believe in a God . I can't relate to that mentality. I think it reveals weakness. And there's no scientific evidence that any demon or Satan himself exists. ..so their abundance of painful annoying brainwashing tactics anger me. I lost several friends who were completely lured in by a cult's duplicitous nature. It really angers me how they destroy people's lives based on their advantage points. Edited by Jacob Schoolcraft - April 07 2022 at 21:03 |
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verslibre
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Are you sure it wasn't a dress rehearsal for the masquerade sequence in Eyes Wide Shut?
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Jacob Schoolcraft
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darksinger
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Even the intelligent fall for cults, just as the intelligent fall for scams. It is not necessarily the stupid, the poor or the lazy.
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I was told by a psychology professor that southern NJ has a very large Satanist presence
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