I've seen Holy Hell. My favourite I saw on Netflix was the series Wild Wild Country (six episodes I think).  I've seen that al the way through at least twice.  It's fascinating, and I think so well made.  I highly recommend it.

Edited by Logan - September 22 2021 at 08:07

Oh yeah, I've seen a few on Scientology (another group I really delved into at one time). I love the soundtrack for Louis Theroux's My Scientology Movie.

I have also seen (and heard) ones about Jonestown, The Solar Temple, and David Koresh's Branch Davidians.

I find Jonestown particularly disturbing and the footage (wish I'd stayed away from that -- not good for my well-being -- found it very distressing). I was so invested in researching Heaven's Gate at one time that I almost felt like I was a member of the group. I felt a strong affinity, not with the leaders, not with Ti and Do (Do I feel I know more), but with the people who joined the cult and I feel great sadness for the families and their loss of "the away team".

I guess now I'm not so into such things because they affect me more strongly on an emotional level.

Edited by Logan - September 22 2021 at 10:20

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Logan wrote: Oh yeah, I've seen a few on Scientology (another group I really delved into at one time). I love the soundtrack for Louis Theroux's My Scientology Movie. I have also seen (and heard) ones about Jonestown, The Solar Temple, and David Koresh's Branch Davidians. I find Jonestown particularly disturbing and the footage (wish I'd stayed away from that -- not good for my well-being -- found it very distressing). I was so invested in researching Heaven's Gate at one time that I almost felt like I was a member of the group. I felt a strong affinity, not with the leaders, not with Ti and Do (Do I feel I know more), but with the people who joined the cult and I feel great sadness for the families and their loss of "the away team". I guess now I'm not so into such things because they affect me more strongly on an emotional level.

Wild Wild Country is the other one I liked.

The problem I have with occult documentaries is basically the mistrust I have in journalism. Newspapers are the main source for occult related crimes, ritualistic killings, yet much of the history is covered up and with several documented cases. Perhaps to protect the reputation of a town? ...or someone rich with power had a son or daughter that got mixed up with a cult and as it turns out...the only way to protect their family's reputation is to not reveal a certain theory and settling for an easier one which places the blame on the times we were living in. LSD, Rock Music, and Horror films lured our youth into the occult.


This is what I experienced in the early 70s: My friends and I went camping at Menantico , Crystal, and other wooded areas in Vineland NJ..or we just went there to party. To feel free. First we would hear chanting. Then we would hear drums..but they were actually oil barrels. We would hide and watch them. They wore robes and masks and were beyond creepy.

About a year later I read in the Vineland Times Journal that a young man asked his two closest friends to bound his hands and feet...walk him into "Clear Pond " at Menantico and die violently so that he could return as a captain to rule over 40 leagues of demons.

His two friends admitted right away to the killing. The defense went for "suicide with assistance " and the newspapers attributed it to the influence of LSD, Rock Music, and Horror films. Charles Pangburn, chief of police confiscated evidence that he refused to reveal at the inquest. The inquest into widespread cultic activity in the Vineland area.


Somewhere he had information or an idea that a large group of people witnessed the young man's sacrifice. He began interrogating a group of people who belonged to the Chestnut Assembly Of God church. There was "Duo Worship " tied into their beliefs. They worshipped God and Satan. He continued to hammer on them but he couldn't prove they were present during the ritual with physical evidence.


The newspapers continued to report that Charles Pangburn refused to divulge his evidence. He then interrogated people living in Vineland who had revolted against the Church Of Satan. Supposedly they were part of a group that Lilith Sinclair was forming..which in 1972 became the "Temple Of Set" on the East coast of the U.S.


One of the victim's friends when advised of his rights stated that the victim belonged to a Satan worshippers sect. It doesn't make sense. A sect is a small group. Charles Pangburn was after a large group...which makes more sense to me because I saw from a distance a large gathering wearing masks. In the summer of 1971 , shortly after the sacrifice at Menantico...an amount of 80 to 90 teenagers belonging to different Satan cults had been converted to Christianity and they gave their testimonies in Landis Park in Vineland. They denied knowing the victim from the Menantico cult and several of them belonged to other Satan cults. This is briefly covered in the N.Y. Times and is attributed to LSD


Many of the newspaper articles on this case are obsolete and only two newspaper articles are accessible on the internet. The ritual has been referred to in the past as the "One Hundred Year Ritual " and it had been stated by people I knew that the exact same ritual took place in the Cumberland County area in 1871. Although..I've never been able to confirm this.


Charles Pangburn was persistent in his belief that a wealthy organization was behind the young man's sacrifice at Menantico. A Christian community moved to Vineland and Christians followed us when we walked home from school. They were very clear and persistent in warning us. They would ask if anyone had tried to talk us into joining a cult. They asked us if we knew anyone in a cult. They kept warning us and insisting that we reveal it to them so they could report back to the police. Now why do you think they'd be so determined to know that? Everyday they approached us and questioned us. Why?


This is why I have a problem with the publications industry. Most of what I experienced has never been covered by a newspaper. It was only hinted. The day the newspapers hit the pavement..a few of my friends called me on the phone and said that a lot of it was being covered up. I tend to agree. This is why I can't possibly put faith in occult documentaries. They don't mean to hide the truth necessarily but they do perpetuate what certain characters are paid to say and that's quite imposing to me.



Edited by Jacob Schoolcraft - April 05 2022 at 18:47

Atavachron wrote: I don't understand cults (even though I was kind of in a small one)--  much like religion or extreme politics, it seems to attract people most in search of a direction and cause.   It's sad.   You can make your own cause, and it will be far better than some group with a hierarchy of misled misfit whack-offs.

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SteveG wrote: The thing that is disturbing to me how close a cult is to the "safer" organized religions. There is only a small step between the two in some instances.

CosmicVibration wrote: Saw several but do not remember the names of most of them.  Last one was the documentary on Scientology. Never thought Scientology as a cult until I saw that documentary.  If even half of what was portrayed is true, then yea, it’s a cult.