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Poll Question: Which is your favourite album?
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17 [18.09%]
4 [4.26%]
2 [2.13%]
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6 [6.38%]
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17 [18.09%]
3 [3.19%]
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4 [4.26%]
2 [2.13%]
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Originally posted by WJA-K WJA-K wrote:

Modern prog from 1982? That's 40 years ago. Is everything beyond the 70's modern prog?

according to the OP, yes LOL
Many have asked the same question. LOL
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Originally posted by WJA-K WJA-K wrote:

Modern prog from 1982? That's 40 years ago. Is everything beyond the 70's modern prog?
The 25 bands in the poll weren't chosen by me. They were chosen collectively by the good members of ProgArchives. Wink

1. Porcupine Tree (138 points)
2. Marillion (112 points)
3. IQ (83 points)
4. Big Big Train (73 points)
5. Spock's Beard (61 points)
5. Transatlantic (61 points)
7. Anekdoten (51 points)

8. Cardiacs (44 points)
9. Guapo (42 points)
10. Neal Morse Band (35 points)

11. Anglagard (33 points)
12. Wobbler (32 points)
13. The Flower Kings (31 points)
13. Thinking Plague (31 points)
15. Talk Talk (30 points)
15. Present (30 points)
17. Dream Theater (29 points)
18. Opeth (24 points)
18. Riverside (24 points)
20. Pendragon (20 points)

21. Mostly Autumn (19 points)
22. Koenjihyakkei (18 points)
22. Solstice (18 points)
24. Swans (16 points)
24. Godspeed You Black Emperor (16 points)
24. Magenta (16 points)
27. Pallas (14 points)


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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by WJA-K WJA-K wrote:

Modern prog from 1982? That's 40 years ago. Is everything beyond the 70's modern prog?

according to the OP, yes LOL
Many have asked the same question. LOL
I've since divided prog into three main eras in my recent series of Top 12 lists. Smile

Classic Prog Era:-  1967-1979
Neo Prog Era:-      1980-1999
Modern Prog Era:- 2000-2022
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by WJA-K WJA-K wrote:

Modern prog from 1982? That's 40 years ago. Is everything beyond the 70's modern prog?

according to the OP, yes LOL
Many have asked the same question. LOL
I've since divided prog into three main eras in my recent series of Top 12 lists. Smile

Classic Prog Era:-  1967-1979
Neo Prog Era:-      1980-1999
Modern Prog Era:- 2000-2022

Neo-prog is not an era but a sound, a style/genre of prog. You should know that by now. 

Classic era and modern era in your classification at least make sense. 
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How about
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Post-Classic
Modern
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

How about
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Post-Classic
Modern

a little bit better, at least reasonable (for lack of a better word). Smile
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Originally posted by WJA-K WJA-K wrote:

Modern prog from 1982? That's 40 years ago. Is everything beyond the 70's modern prog?
That could reopen an old can of worms that's been much-discussed before. Wink
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by WJA-K WJA-K wrote:

Modern prog from 1982? That's 40 years ago. Is everything beyond the 70's modern prog?

The 25 bands in the poll weren't chosen by me. They were chosen collectively by the good members of ProgArchives. Wink

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1. Porcupine Tree (138 points)
2. Marillion (112 points)
3. IQ (83 points)
4. Big Big Train (73 points)
5. Spock's Beard (61 points)
5. Transatlantic (61 points)
7. Anekdoten (51 points)

8. Cardiacs (44 points)
9. Guapo (42 points)
10. Neal Morse Band (35 points)

11. Anglagard (33 points)
12. Wobbler (32 points)
13. The Flower Kings (31 points)
13. Thinking Plague (31 points)
15. Talk Talk (30 points)
15. Present (30 points)
17. Dream Theater (29 points)
18. Opeth (24 points)
18. Riverside (24 points)
20. Pendragon (20 points)

21. Mostly Autumn (19 points)
22. Koenjihyakkei (18 points)
22. Solstice (18 points)
24. Swans (16 points)
<div style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">24. Godspeed You Black Emperor (16 points)<div style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">24. Magenta (16 points)<div style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">27. Pallas (14 points)


How did I miss this poll?!!

Where are It Bites, Frost*, Ayreon, Devin Townsend?

And why aren’t IQ number 1?!!!😁
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^ I'd love to have seen Ayreon in the poll too, but sadly, they didn't pick up enough points to make it into the final list. Cry
 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

How about
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Modern

a little bit better, at least reasonable (for lack of a better word). Smile
 
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I've tried to give the Cardiacs bizarre debut a fair chance, but my heart wasn't really in it. The album sounds like a bunch of circus clowns performing at some manic carnival. The punkish "singer" sounds terrible and the tuneless music has been described as "Pronk" (Progressive Punk). This is crazy waltzer music which is likely to give you a headache. Stop the ride, I want to get off. Dead Thumbs Down
 
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^ Each to their own I suppose.  Tim Smith (RIP) was a genius to many and their music is unique.  First stumbled across them at Stonehenge in 84 around 2 am.  It was wonderful!
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^Colour me envious!
Then again..I was two years old in 84

Funny how tastes differ but once you get your head around other members’ style, it can actually be quite helpful. I know quite a few reviewers/members here who have almost the complete opposite tastes compared to mine…but it’s something that I can count on it. If they feel something is poor (say 1 or 2 stars), well there is a good chance I’m going to love it. Also works the other way around
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

I've tried to give the Cardiacs bizarre debut a fair chance, but my heart wasn't really in it. The album sounds like a bunch of circus clowns performing at some manic carnival. The punkish "singer" sounds terrible and the tuneless music has been described as "Pronk" (Progressive Punk). This is crazy waltzer music which is likely to give you a headache. Stop the ride, I want to get off. Dead Thumbs Down
 
2 stars 1988: Cardiacs - A Little Man and a House and the Whole World Window - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ngIekL-DOewmbD61IugwyZ-OMkLFaFf1E


Stop using the "thumbs down" emoticon after explaining why you dislike something, it feels aggressive and also arrogant in this particular context. Plus you used the "dead" emoticon already, that's hatred abuse TBH. Stern Smile


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^Colour me envious!
Then again..I was two years old in 84

Funny how tastes differ but once you get your head around other members’ style, it can actually be quite helpful. I know quite a few reviewers/members here who have almost the complete opposite tastes compared to mine…but it’s something that I can count on it. If they feel something is poor (say 1 or 2 stars), well there is a good chance I’m going to love it. Also works the other way around

Listening to bands and albums that others enjoy here is a great way for me to discover new music, even if it's not always music I enjoy too. Vive La Difference! Smile
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

I've tried to give the Cardiacs bizarre debut a fair chance, but my heart wasn't really in it. The album sounds like a bunch of circus clowns performing at some manic carnival. The punkish "singer" sounds terrible and the tuneless music has been described as "Pronk" (Progressive Punk). This is crazy waltzer music which is likely to give you a headache. Stop the ride, I want to get off. Dead Thumbs Down
 
2 stars 1988: Cardiacs - A Little Man and a House and the Whole World Window - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ngIekL-DOewmbD61IugwyZ-OMkLFaFf1E


Stop using the "thumbs down" emoticon after explaining why you dislike something, it feels aggressive and also arrogant in this particular context. Plus you used the "dead" emoticon already, that hatred abuse TBH. Stern Smile
There's no need to get all emotional about emoticons. The green emoticon was supposed to mean I felt a bit queasy after taking a crazy waltzer ride with the Cardiacs manic debut. Wacko




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Adore Cardiacs, Tim's writing is genius, one of my biggest regrets is not discovering them in time to see them. Calling the singer terrible and the music tuneless is ridiculous. So you don't like it, so what.
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

I've tried to give the Cardiacs bizarre debut a fair chance, but my heart wasn't really in it. The album sounds like a bunch of circus clowns performing at some manic carnival. The punkish "singer" sounds terrible and the tuneless music has been described as "Pronk" (Progressive Punk). This is crazy waltzer music which is likely to give you a headache. Stop the ride, I want to get off. Dead Thumbs Down
 
I'm not familiar with Cardiacs debut album, but I do find it interesting that you describe Cardiacs music as "sounds like a bunch of circus clowns performing at some manic carnival" because I recently suggested on the forum that the homogenous combination of prog and punk probably sounds like carnival music.
 
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There's no need to get all emotional about emoticons. The green emoticon was supposed to mean I felt a bit queasy after taking a crazy waltzer ride with the Cardiacs manic debut. Wacko


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Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

I've tried to give the Cardiacs bizarre debut a fair chance, but my heart wasn't really in it. The album sounds like a bunch of circus clowns performing at some manic carnival. The punkish "singer" sounds terrible and the tuneless music has been described as "Pronk" (Progressive Punk). This is crazy waltzer music which is likely to give you a headache. Stop the ride, I want to get off. Dead Thumbs Down
 
I'm not familiar with Cardiacs debut album, but I do find it interesting that you describe Cardiacs music as "sounds like a bunch of circus clowns performing at some manic carnival" because I recently suggested on the forum that the homogenous combination of prog and punk probably sounds like carnival music.
 

I haven't heard carnival music as cranky as that since Fred Karno's Circus, and that's going back a good while. Some people have criticised my favourite YES album - The Quest - but I just think, so what, get over it.  Smile
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