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Poll Question: What is the prog band with the most virtuosist musicians?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2005 at 12:44

Originally posted by Velvetclown Velvetclown wrote:

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2005 at 12:55
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2005 at 13:00
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2005 at 13:26

Well according to the pros, this is going to be the guy who's gonna pass Carl, Bill & Neil.  I haven't witnessed him live yet, but those at Nearfest last year, said he was the most impressive thing they saw all weekend...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2005 at 13:35
Well Zappa sure knew how to pick em 

Yes Donati is also one of the greatest

Barrie Barlow of Tull was also really special.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2005 at 14:21

Originally posted by Velvetclown Velvetclown wrote:

Well Zappa sure knew how to pick em 

Yes Donati is also one of the greatest

Barrie Barlow of Tull was also really special.

 

I agree with all of that.  BB is highly underated. 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2005 at 14:50
Originally posted by Metropolis Metropolis wrote:

I totally agree, i wish i could have grown up in the 70's, must have been amazing


Your statement is sort of an encouragement to me.  I am a grandfather now,   and the older I get, the more I appreciate the past, ESPECIALLY when it comes to music.

Yes, it truely was an amazing time for me personally and I think for western culture in general.
I recall it being so exciting - especially in the early 70's - when all this progressive music was in the process of being created.

Question #1: Will there be another cultural / philosphical revolution that will accurately emulate what transpired in the 60's and 70's as far as music goes ?

Question #2: Are others as sick and tired as I am of the contemporary "dumbing-down" of western pop culture ?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2005 at 16:26

Originally posted by utah_man utah_man wrote:


Question #1: Will there be another cultural / philosphical revolution that will accurately emulate what transpired in the 60's and 70's as far as music goes ?

Question #2: Are others as sick and tired as I am of the contemporary "dumbing-down" of western pop culture ?

# 1. In my opinion, NO, not to that extent, but I do feel that there is some return to quality tastes in music... I think that's why this forum is growing. More and more musicians are pushing into diversifying their music.

# 2. Whilst the major media seems to be dumbing down, the underground movements are getting smarter and gaining recognition. Even in progressive rock circles, changes are occuring, sites for downloading music, on line warehouses and purchasing businesses are popping up left and right. It must be working or they'd have hit the toilets by now.

I'm patient.

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Reed, I'd take Vinnie, Virgil, Wackerman, Husband or Bill Bruford over Mr. Peart. Even Frank Zappa said that no one can play polyrythms like Vinnie Colaiuta. Check out Allan Holdsworth's Secrets. VC is incredible and I ain't talking about the clown.    

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2005 at 16:47
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2005 at 16:49
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2005 at 17:01
That´s ok, it was only :

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2005 at 17:13
what about the mars volta, they have an immense line up of musicians, ikey owens is a godlike keyboardist, they have flea from the chilis and juan pulling off the immense basslines and even bass solos, f**king excellent lyrics and vocals, amazing guitar work from omar and john frusciante from chilis and john theodore is a beastly drummer.

not to mention omar wrote all of this intensely complex and detailed music all by himself and got the others to play it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2005 at 17:32

Frenchie:

Re GG, get Octopus, In A Glass House, and The Power and the Glory.  Those are their three "must-have" albums.

Threefates:

I agree with you re Emerson.  However, Lake is simply not the "virtuoso" bass player that Squire is.  (I would say he is about equal to Wetton).  Nor, as good as he may be, is he a "virtuoso" guitarist of any type - certainly not like Howe, Holdsworth, Fripp, Gilmour, even Hackett.  As for Palmer, although I did not see them live, I have heard all their albums, including the live ones.  Palmer is simply not the versatile virtuoso that Bruford is, or perhaps even Collins (if you include his work with Brand X).  Palmer may be every bit as good at what he does (especially re "speed") as Bruford and Collins, but he is simply not as versatile or virtuosic.

Velvetclown: I saw Wackerman drum with Zappa's band; he was somewhat "restrained," but amazing and tasty all the same.

Re drummers in general, Peart is largely a "journeyman": he is highly technically proficient and generally tasteful within the bounds of what Rush does, but he is no Bruford, Collins, Palmer, etc.  He may be a "virtuoso" solely from the point of view of technical proficiency, but he is not particularly versatile.  Colaiuta is scary, and certainly a virtuoso in every way.

That's my two cents...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2005 at 17:57
Originally posted by maani maani wrote:

Threefates:

...  However, Lake is simply not the "virtuoso" bass player that Squire is.  (I would say he is about equal to Wetton).  Nor, as good as he may be, is he a "virtuoso" guitarist of any type - certainly not like Howe, Holdsworth, Fripp, Gilmour, even Hackett.

I have to disagree with you here Maani.  I never said Greg was a virtuoso on any of the guitars, just the fact that he plays them all, bass, acoustic, lead and rhythm, extremely well and within the same song at times; which makes him much more versatile than the others you mentioned.  Also he can do that while singing some very complicated stuff at times... with epic long lyrics... You try remembering all the words to Pirates.... Also I would put him up against any of those guitarists on an acoustic.. including Steve Howe...

As for Palmer, although I did not see them live, I have heard all their albums, including the live ones.  Palmer is simply not the versatile virtuoso that Bruford is, or perhaps even Collins (if you include his work with Brand X).  Palmer may be every bit as good at what he does (especially re "speed") as Bruford and Collins, but he is simply not as versatile or virtuosic.

Who would of thought it, but I disagree with you on this also.  My advice.. next time Carl is in town doing one of those drum clinics... go see what I mean.  I think you'd retract that statement!!  BTW, I saw both Bruford in Earthworks and Carl and his band play in the last 2 months... Carl still blows him away...



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2005 at 18:12

I am pretty sure the drumming community would be amazed to hear that Neil Peart is a "journeyman" drummer.

Maani create a new award:

"Bizaare Opinion Of The Week"

and award it to yourself!LOL




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2005 at 14:23

Q. How many drummers does it take to change a light bulb?

A. 5 - one to change the bulb and four to stand there saying that Neil Peart would have done it much better  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2005 at 15:04
Originally posted by Reed Lover Reed Lover wrote:

Originally posted by Sweetnighter Sweetnighter wrote:

Originally posted by Reed Lover Reed Lover wrote:

Originally posted by Sweetnighter Sweetnighter wrote:

Originally posted by Reed Lover Reed Lover wrote:

Originally posted by Sweetnighter Sweetnighter wrote:

Originally posted by Prog_Bassist Prog_Bassist wrote:

rush is my favorite band. Geddy is unreal bassist, neil in an unreal drummer, and alex is...ok guitarist. Alex is, in my opinion, along for the ride.



first, i must say that my vote is for RUSH
as to your comment on Lifeson, I don't think its that he's along for the ride so much in terms of riding on the skill of Lee and Peart, Lifeson is an outstanding guitarist in his own right and the band definitely wouldn't be the band it was/is without him... despite that, I do agree with you in the sense that he doesn't contribute to the band creatively speaking. I think he's just one of those guys who wants to bust out a mad solo... whether he had been playing in Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, or Rush... I mean, he stands out among his band members. While his band members write and read deep philosophy, peart in particular, he's getting arrested for assaulting a cop in florida while drunk.

btw, i got geddy lee's solo album in the mail finally today... i'll make a post in the CD section later once i get through it.

Lifeson writes most of the music.............................doesn't contribute creatively?????

Something seriously wrong amongst the Rush "fans" around here!!!!!!

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really? i thought lee did...

Are you for real or just trying to yank my chain ?

Lifeson writes most of the music in collaboration with Lee!Confused

How long did you say you's been a Rush fan?Dead



Well I know they write the music together, I was just under the impression from what I've read in the past that Lee wrote most of the music as opposed to Lifeson...

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I first discovered Rush in Summer-the Summer of 1975.........Confused

lucky you! you discovered the band... twelve years before i was born!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2005 at 15:08

 

 

Looks like one too!!!!

 

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2005 at 18:25

Reed Lover:

According to Webster's, a "journeyman" is "an experienced reliable worker or performer especially as distinguished from one who is brilliant or colorful."

I maintain that Peart, as good as he is technically (and I do not argue this at all), is not a particularly "creative," much less "brilliant" or "innovative" player.  Nor do I find him particularly "inspiring."  Indeed, I find him very "machine-like," rather than having any emotional grounding or "charge."  "Colorful?"  Maybe, to a minimal degree.  But he is, as the definition says, mostly "experienced" (i.e., technically proficient) and "reliable."

"Journeyman" may be slightly overstated - but only slightly.

Peace.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2005 at 18:35

In the Uk a journeyman is someone not talented enough to make it at the highest grade.

Could be a goal for the next 12 mnths Maani. Secure an interview with Mr Peart and inform him that in your humble opinion  he is neither creative, brilliant or innovative.

Have you ever listened to Signals or Test For Echo? Confused

As for the legendary drum solo-could be red-faces all round if he grabs a Grammy!

Your opinion,which of course you are entitled to,is just that. You present it as received wisdom or a holy proclamation,my friend and that is what qualifies you for that award.

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