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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Since the main criterion of choice is the innovation of musical contents, Godbluff does not lend itself to being selected: it doesn't add much to the previous compositions.
 
Yes, I would've been quite surprised if Godbluff was considered more innovative than Pawn Hearts. I see Godbluff as a substantial regression from their previous album.
 
 
Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

"The Least" inaugurates the music of the following discs, so I understand the choice.
I am unhappy that Pawn Hearts is missing, which however brings several changes compared to The Least.
 
To me, Pawn Hearts is the culmination of the three albums starting from The Least. The Least is the album where they found their sound, but in a rather crude form. H to He is the album where they perfected their sound, but it lacked the unity that they finally achieved with Pawn Hearts.
 
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Hard to tell, since tastes are so different in America as they are in Europe. For example, "progressive" folks from Europe do not consider CHICAGO an important band, and in terms of "progressive, CHICAGO 2 and even 1 deserve a mention, but they are not English and therefore ignored.

A couple of these are already mentioned, so I removed Bitches Brew.

KC - In the Court
Jethro Tull - TAAB (one of the first concept albums)
Gentle Giant - Acquiring the Taste
Pink Floyd - Dark Side...
ELP - Tarkus
Return to Forever
Soft Machine - Volume Three
Yes - Close to the Edge
Gong - You
Chicago - 2
The Doors 
Iron Butterfly - In a Gadda Da Vida
Can - Tago Mago
Amon Duul 2 - Yeti
Focus - Moving Waves or III
Banco - Darwin
Faust - So Far
Agitation Free - 1st probably
Tangerine Dream - Phaedra
Aphrodite's Child - 666




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I'd like to think Peter Gabriel 4 (Security) got a nod.
Oh, and Queen - Night at the Opera.


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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,

Hard to tell, since tastes are so different in America as they are in Europe. For example, "progressive" folks from Europe do not consider CHICAGO an important band, and in terms of "progressive, CHICAGO 2 and even 1 deserve a mention, but they are not English and therefore ignored.

A couple of these are already mentioned, so I removed Bitches Brew.

KC - In the Court
Jethro Tull - TAAB (one of the first concept albums)
Gentle Giant - Acquiring the Taste
Pink Floyd - Dark Side...
ELP - Tarkus
Return to Forever

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Soft Machine - Volume Three
Yes - Close to the Edge
Gong - You
Chicago - 2
The Doors 
Iron Butterfly - In a Gadda Da Vida
Can - Tago Mago
Amon Duul 2 - Yeti
Focus - Moving Waves or III
Banco - Darwin
Faust - So Far
Agitation Free - 1st probably
Tangerine Dream - Phaedra
Aphrodite's Child - 666



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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

I'd like to think Peter Gabriel 4 (Security) got a nod.
Oh, and Queen - Night at the Opera.


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Peter Gabriel is one of those artists that Merlin quites in the introduction as deserving of particular attention because his musical career has had many turning points, has been characterized by an innovative research, and in fact he is present with 3 records, but not with the fourth.
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There are some artists, not strictly prog, but present on Progarchives, who have many records on Merlin's list...

Which ones are they?

An advice: remember: he's a jazz guitarist.


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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

There are some artists, not strictly prog, but present on Progarchives, who have many records on Merlin's list...

Which ones are they?

An advice: remember: he's a jazz guitarist.
 
John McLaughlin?
 
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

...
Soft Machine - Volume Three
Yes - Close to the Edge
The Doors 
Can - Tago Mago
Tangerine Dream - Phaedra
...
Five!


Hi,

Alan Stivell -- Renaissance of the Celtic Harp
Tomita - Snowflakes are Dancing
Walter Carlos - Switched on Bach
Paul Horn - Inside the Pyramid (the first "inside" album)
Tibetan Bells - The first
Ange - Au Dela Du Delire



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Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

There are some artists, not strictly prog, but present on Progarchives, who have many records on Merlin's list...

Which ones are they?

An advice: remember: he's a jazz guitarist.
 
John McLaughlin?
 


Yes, but he love especially John Zorn (5 albums in the list) and Frank Zappa.
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

...
Soft Machine - Volume Three
Yes - Close to the Edge
The Doors 
Can - Tago Mago
Tangerine Dream - Phaedra
...
Five!


Hi,

Alan Stivell -- Renaissance of the Celtic Harp
Tomita - Snowflakes are Dancing
Walter Carlos - Switched on Bach
Paul Horn - Inside the Pyramid (the first "inside" album)
Tibetan Bells - The first
Ange - Au Dela Du Delire


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There are some artists to whom Merlin has dedicated at least 4 albums. He identified them on the basis of the fact that they have pursued a continuous creative research, they have been able to provide many stimuli for the evolution of musical language, greatly influencing the music of their contemporaries.
They are:

1) C. Debussy
2) A. Schoenberg
3) A, Webern
4) B. Bartok
5) I. Stravinskij
6) D. Ellington
7) F. Sinatra
8) T. Monk
9) J. Cage
10) M. Davis
11) K. Stockhausen
12) C. Mingus
13) S. Rollins
14) Sun Ra
15) J. Coltrane
16) O. Coleman
17) B. Evans
18) B. Dylan
19) The Beatles
20) The Rolling Stones
21) W. Shorter (+ W. Report)
22) F. Zappa
23) J. Hendrix
24) Pink Floyd
25) N. Young
26) R. Fripp (+ King Crimson)
27) J. McLaughlin (+ M. Orchestra)
28) J. Zawinul (+ W. Report)
29) B. Eno
30) R. Cooder
31) P. Gabriel (+ Genesis)
32) K. Jarrett
33) P. Metheny
34) J. Zorn.
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