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    Posted: March 31 2022 at 14:47
The musicologist and jazz guitarist Enrico Merlin has compiled a book containing 1000 records of twentieth century music.

Music without barriers: from Mahler to Opeth.

Not only western music.

In his book, the criterion he followed to make his selection is exposed:

As Merlin specifies, the criterion is NOT to select the "Best Albums", it is NOT to select "The Most Beautiful albums".

The criterion is: "the historical importance of each work, especially taking into account the intrinsic innovative content from the perspective of a music historian who is also a musician."

The assumption is that music always evolves, and that the evolution of music depends on the evolution of three of its characteristics:

- melody
- harmony
- rhythm

but, starting from the twentieth century, with recording techniques, with electric and electronic instruments, it is necessary to take into account three other parameters that DO NOT appear in the musical score:

- musical timbre
- dynamics
- expressiveness.

According to these criteria, Merlin has given ample space to musicians who during their career have developed very different creative solutions, while other musicians who have remained very faithful to one of their lines (a sound, for example, a genre, etc.) have been less represented. 





Edited by jamesbaldwin - March 31 2022 at 15:50
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If you want, let's play a game:

In your opinion, which prog records from the seventies did Merlin select?

Try to give me a list of 20 albums.
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

The criterion is: "the historical importance of each work, especially taking into account the intrinsic innovative content from the perspective of a music historian who is also a musician."
What is important to one is not to another. Some guesses what the author picked from the 70's. Probably all wrong. Smile

KC - In the Court
Jethro Tull - TAAB (one of the first concept albums)
U.K. - U.K.
Gentle Giant - Acquiring the Taste
Genesis - Selling England...
Pink Floyd - Dark Side...
ELP - Tarkus
Return to Forever
Kansas - s/t
Pat Metheny Group - s/t
Soft Machine - Volume Two
Miles Davis - In a Silent Way
Something from Magma 
Hatfield and the North - s/t
Yes - The Yes Album
Probably some RPI
Zappa - The Grand Wazoo
Nektar - A Tab in the Ocean
Gong - Camembert Electrique

So, did I get any correct? Wink



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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

The criterion is: "the historical importance of each work, especially taking into account the intrinsic innovative content from the perspective of a music historian who is also a musician."
What is important to one is not to another. Some guesses what the author picked from the 70's. Probably all wrong. Smile

KC - In the Court
Jethro Tull - TAAB (one of the first concept albums)
U.K. - U.K.
Gentle Giant - Acquiring the Taste
Genesis - Selling England...
Pink Floyd - Dark Side...
ELP - Tarkus
Return to Forever
Kansas - s/t
Pat Metheny Group - s/t
Soft Machine - Volume Two
Miles Davis - In a Silent Way
Something from Magma 
Hatfield and the North - s/t
Yes - The Yes Album
Probably some RPI
Zappa - The Grand Wazoo
Nektar - A Tab in the Ocean
Gong - Camembert Electrique

So, did I get any correct? Wink




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I'm only going to pick one album:
 
VdGG - Pawn Hearts
 

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Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

I'm only going to pick one album:
 
VdGG - Pawn Hearts
 


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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

I'm only going to pick one album:
 
VdGG - Pawn Hearts
 


No Cry

is there any VDGG in the book? 
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Well it's good to see the much-maligned ELP being featured in a music list for their historical importance! Smile

My wild guesses:
Miles Davies - Bitches Brew
Kansas - Leftoverture
Rush - Moving Pictures
King Crimson - Red
Genesis - Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
Assuming there must be some RPI but I wouldn't know which.



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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

I'm only going to pick one album:
 
VdGG - Pawn Hearts
 


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is there any VDGG in the book? 

Yes, just one album.
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

I'm only going to pick one album:
 
VdGG - Pawn Hearts
 


No Cry

is there any VDGG in the book? 

Yes, just one album.

H to He? 
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Originally posted by Cactus Choir Cactus Choir wrote:

Well it's good to see the much-maligned ELP being featured in a music list for their historical importance! Smile

My wild guesses:
Miles Davies - Bitches Brew
Kansas - Leftoverture
Rush - Moving Pictures
King Crimson - Red
Genesis - Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
Assuming there must be some RPI but I wouldn't know which.


One!

And there is another album by EL&P. Which one?


Edited by jamesbaldwin - April 01 2022 at 05:35
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

I'm only going to pick one album:
 
VdGG - Pawn Hearts
 


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is there any VDGG in the book? 

Yes, just one album.

H to He? 

No.
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Cactus Choir Cactus Choir wrote:

Well it's good to see the much-maligned ELP being featured in a music list for their historical importance! Smile

My wild guesses:
Miles Davies - Bitches Brew
Kansas - Leftoverture
Rush - Moving Pictures
King Crimson - Red
Genesis - Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
Assuming there must be some RPI but I wouldn't know which.


One!

And there is another album by EL&P. Which one?

debut or Pictures? 
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

I'm only going to pick one album:
 
VdGG - Pawn Hearts
 


No Cry

is there any VDGG in the book? 

Yes, just one album.

H to He? 

No.
 
Godbluff?
 

No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man.
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Cactus Choir Cactus Choir wrote:

Well it's good to see the much-maligned ELP being featured in a music list for their historical importance! Smile

My wild guesses:
Miles Davies - Bitches Brew
Kansas - Leftoverture
Rush - Moving Pictures
King Crimson - Red
Genesis - Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
Assuming there must be some RPI but I wouldn't know which.


One!

And there is another album by EL&P. Which one?


Brain Salad Surgery?
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Cactus Choir Cactus Choir wrote:

Well it's good to see the much-maligned ELP being featured in a music list for their historical importance! Smile

My wild guesses:
Miles Davies - Bitches Brew
Kansas - Leftoverture
Rush - Moving Pictures
King Crimson - Red
Genesis - Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
Assuming there must be some RPI but I wouldn't know which.


One!

And there is another album by EL&P. Which one?

debut or Pictures? 
 
I'm guessing Brain Salad Surgery?
 

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Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

I'm only going to pick one album:
 
VdGG - Pawn Hearts
 


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is there any VDGG in the book? 

Yes, just one album.

H to He? 

No.
 
Godbluff?
 


No, The Least We Can Do Is Wave To Each Other.

Since the main criterion of choice is the innovation of musical contents, Godbluff does not lend itself to being selected: it doesn't add much to the previous compositions.

"The Least" inaugurates the music of the following discs, so I understand the choice.
I am unhappy that Pawn Hearts is missing, which however brings several changes compared to The Least.


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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Cactus Choir Cactus Choir wrote:

Well it's good to see the much-maligned ELP being featured in a music list for their historical importance! Smile

My wild guesses:
Miles Davies - Bitches Brew
Kansas - Leftoverture
Rush - Moving Pictures
King Crimson - Red
Genesis - Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
Assuming there must be some RPI but I wouldn't know which.


One!

And there is another album by EL&P. Which one?

debut or Pictures

One!
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:


debut or Pictures

One!

ok. 

I bet if I made a list of albums I think are relevant or important, it would be different from what this author finds relevant. 
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Jethro Tull - Aqualung
Robert Wyatt - Rock Bottom
Caravan - In the Land of Grey and Pink
Hatfield and the North - The Rotters Club

Edited by Grumpyprogfan - April 01 2022 at 10:04
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