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^ I believe Kraan fit better as JRF than Krautrock, so PA got it right this time. 

I was going to say basically the same as Logan so eloquently stated, where bands are not strictly defined by one particular genre. For instance, a Krautrock band can also be a Jazz/Rock Fusion band and vice versa, so there's no right and wrong when it comes to music genresSmile


Let me rephrase, when I say Kraan is a better fit for JRF than Krautrock, I mean they are a JRF band, this description or label fits them better than anything else. Some bands could have several labels, that's true, but to me Kraan is not one of them. I would not put them in a Krautrock list, that's why I objected to seeing them here. 


Your objection is duly noted. Smile
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

^ I believe Kraan fit better as JRF than Krautrock, so PA got it right this time. 

I was going to say basically the same as Logan so eloquently stated, where bands are not strictly defined by one particular genre. For instance, a Krautrock band can also be a Jazz/Rock Fusion band and vice versa, so there's no right and wrong when it comes to music genresSmile

"there's no right and wrong when it comes to music genres"? Wow, really? Well considering you don't care at all (to put it gently) about genres and subgenres, I'm not surprised you said that. 

Let me rephrase, when I say Kraan is a better fit for JRF than Krautrock, I mean they are a JRF band, this description or label fits them better than anything else. Some bands could have several labels, that's true, but to me Kraan is not one of them. I would not put them in a Krautrock list, that's why I objected to seeing them here. 

Next time I will stay quiet, you do not value my opinion anyway. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

^ I believe Kraan fit better as JRF than Krautrock, so PA got it right this time. 

I was going to say basically the same as Logan so eloquently stated, where bands are not strictly defined by one particular genre. For instance, a Krautrock band can also be a Jazz/Rock Fusion band and vice versa, so there's no right or wrong when it comes to music genres. Smile


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^ I'm not implying they got it wrong. I think it fits both well enough (and it rather depends on the album) and I am confident that if we had multi genre labeling then both Jazz-Rock and Krautrock would be listed. Krautrock and jazz-rock are two of my favourite categories. I don't see the issue in adding it to a Krautrock list. I did a big Krautrock poll and adding Kraan to it for the debut with no complaint as I recall. I have also mentioned Kraan in jazz-rock topics. Lots of good jazzy Krautrock.

Whether it fits better or not to me is not a powerful argument for it not fitting a Krautrock list. Pleased to know that you are familiar with Kraan albums, though, and appreciation is more important than the boxes to me in this case. I really like the first three albums.
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^ I believe Kraan fit better as JRF than Krautrock, so PA got it right this time. 
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Kraan is included in PA under Jazz Rock/ Fusion but that doesn't mean that it cannot also be considered Krautrock. We have the limitation at PA of only having bands in one category (many bands could fall into various categories) and of not labeling by the album. That and PA's labeling is not the be all and end all, and actually bands get moved sometimes and people are fallible. Sometimes we figure that its better to add things than worry that much about best fit p- but Kraan definitely fits both Krautrock and jazz-rock to me.

I have Kraan's early albums and consider them to be Krautrock and Jazz-Rock, and I would call, say, the debut Krautrock.

I do think that we at PA sometimes obsess too much about putting things in neat little boxes where those things cross boxes and fall into many boxes -- that's what prog commonly does. Sometimes I think I got too old for this site.
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

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KRAAN

Jazz Rock/Fusion • Germany

Is this an eye-test? Tongue

or a reading comprehension test 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

KRAAN

Jazz Rock/Fusion • Germany

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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

KRAAN

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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

KRAAN

Jazz Rock/Fusion • Germany

 
Yes indeed, and they're a very good Krautrock/Jazz-Rock/Fusion band too. I'm looking forward to hearing Kraan's later albums if they're all as good as the debut. Thumbs Up
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KRAAN: a good name for a breakfast cereal and also a good name for a Krautrock band. Kraan were founded in the city of Ulm: famous for having the tallest cathedral spire in the world, although Ulm Minster is not really a cathedral as such - it's a church, as there are no bishops moving diagonally down the aisles. Smile
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Ulm Minster
 


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5 stars 1972: Jane - Together - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJfwklRIOOp2UgmHlYyA2U5DRmlZzINhw
5 stars 1977: Jane - Between Heaven and Hell - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4mJs-d4TCA
4 stars 1978: Jane - Age of Madness - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpzhlUmkQ34
4 stars 1979: Jane - Sign No. 9 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMzWXnVybeg
3 stars 1980: Jane - Jane (Mask) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0bYC79t_uw
3 stars 1986: Jane - Beautiful Lady - (no playlist available)
4 stars 1996: Peter Panka's Jane - Resurrection - (no playlist available)
4 stars 2003: Peter Panka's Jane - Shine On (no playlist available)
5 stars 2004: Peter Panka's Jane - Live at Rockpalast, Bonn - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mB1zPfzrB7qSAhOUXYDQxjnBGOwG2eGKE
3 stars 2008: Werner Nadolny's Jane - Proceed with Memories (no playlist available) 
5 stars 2010: Werner Nadolny's Jane - Journey I: Best of Jane '70-'80 - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n1uPFA4nfe5hQ_g10dxqfu9PaJHvgz4SE
4 stars 2011: Werner Nadolny's Jane - Eternity (no playlist available)
5 stars 2011: Werner Nadolny's Jane - Live at Home Again II -- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mDtFnm3u2K2F6M1pvc5sgGW-XG98hqeus
5 stars 2014: Werner Nadolny's Jane - Journey II: Transformation - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lZYEONybBcQNAq8spBjh1dfw9e5oSNnz8
4 stars 2016: Werner Nadolny's Jane - Journey III: Arrival - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m-zaXYACeOgJweAlgsbGUGCTlSgj0ZMpA
5 stars 2018: Werner Nadolny's Jane - And in the Darkest Night - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nwotbYVQjSVKo4NHFtyk5En4J9Y5CJ3dE
 
Finally, in the words (and bad spelling) of Slade, it's time to say "Gudbuy t' Jane", as 50 years and 33 albums later, we've now reached the end of  the road, and what a journey it's been, with some of Jane's finest albums arriving unexpectedly at the end of their long career, just like their 50-year retrospective album in 2020. Hug
 
I'll be Back Again with Kraan in a few days time. Smile
 


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5 stars 1972: Jane - Together - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJfwklRIOOp2UgmHlYyA2U5DRmlZzINhw
5 stars 1977: Jane - Between Heaven and Hell - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4mJs-d4TCA
4 stars 1978: Jane - Age of Madness - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpzhlUmkQ34
4 stars 1979: Jane - Sign No. 9 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMzWXnVybeg
3 stars 1980: Jane - Jane (Mask) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0bYC79t_uw
3 stars 1986: Jane - Beautiful Lady - (no playlist available)
4 stars 1996: Peter Panka's Jane - Resurrection - (no playlist available)
4 stars 2003: Peter Panka's Jane - Shine On (no playlist available)
5 stars 2004: Peter Panka's Jane - Live at Rockpalast, Bonn - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mB1zPfzrB7qSAhOUXYDQxjnBGOwG2eGKE
3 stars 2008: Werner Nadolny's Jane - Proceed with Memories (no playlist available) 
5 stars 2010: Werner Nadolny's Jane - Journey I: Best of Jane '70-'80 - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n1uPFA4nfe5hQ_g10dxqfu9PaJHvgz4SE
4 stars 2011: Werner Nadolny's Jane - Eternity (no playlist available)
5 stars 2011: Werner Nadolny's Jane - Live at Home Again II -- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mDtFnm3u2K2F6M1pvc5sgGW-XG98hqeus
5 stars 2014: Werner Nadolny's Jane - Journey II: Transformation - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lZYEONybBcQNAq8spBjh1dfw9e5oSNnz8
4 stars 2016: Werner Nadolny's Jane - Journey III: Arrival - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m-zaXYACeOgJweAlgsbGUGCTlSgj0ZMpA
5 stars 2018: Werner Nadolny's Jane - And in the Darkest Night - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nwotbYVQjSVKo4NHFtyk5En4J9Y5CJ3dE
 
I was blown away by this outstanding album, where Jane have saved their best Live album until last. This song is for All My Friends here at ProgArchives, including Cristi. Wink
 
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5 stars 1972: Jane - Together - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJfwklRIOOp2UgmHlYyA2U5DRmlZzINhw
5 stars 1977: Jane - Between Heaven and Hell - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4mJs-d4TCA
4 stars 1978: Jane - Age of Madness - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpzhlUmkQ34
4 stars 1979: Jane - Sign No. 9 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMzWXnVybeg
3 stars 1980: Jane - Jane (Mask) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0bYC79t_uw
3 stars 1986: Jane - Beautiful Lady - (no playlist available)
4 stars 1996: Peter Panka's Jane - Resurrection - (no playlist available)
4 stars 2003: Peter Panka's Jane - Shine On (no playlist available)
5 stars 2004: Peter Panka's Jane - Live at Rockpalast, Bonn - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mB1zPfzrB7qSAhOUXYDQxjnBGOwG2eGKE
3 stars 2008: Werner Nadolny's Jane - Proceed with Memories (no playlist available) 
5 stars 2010: Werner Nadolny's Jane - Journey I: Best of Jane '70-'80 - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n1uPFA4nfe5hQ_g10dxqfu9PaJHvgz4SE
4 stars 2011: Werner Nadolny's Jane - Eternity (no playlist available)
5 stars 2011: Werner Nadolny's Jane - Live at Home Again II -- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mDtFnm3u2K2F6M1pvc5sgGW-XG98hqeus
5 stars 2014: Werner Nadolny's Jane - Journey II: Transformation - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lZYEONybBcQNAq8spBjh1dfw9e5oSNnz8
4 stars 2016: Werner Nadolny's Jane - Journey III: Arrival - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m-zaXYACeOgJweAlgsbGUGCTlSgj0ZMpA
 
Better for You, Better for Me
 
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5 stars 1972: Jane - Together - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJfwklRIOOp2UgmHlYyA2U5DRmlZzINhw
5 stars 1977: Jane - Between Heaven and Hell - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4mJs-d4TCA
4 stars 1978: Jane - Age of Madness - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpzhlUmkQ34
4 stars 1979: Jane - Sign No. 9 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMzWXnVybeg
3 stars 1980: Jane - Jane (Mask) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0bYC79t_uw
3 stars 1986: Jane - Beautiful Lady - (no playlist available)
4 stars 1996: Peter Panka's Jane - Resurrection - (no playlist available)
4 stars 2003: Peter Panka's Jane - Shine On (no playlist available)
5 stars 2004: Peter Panka's Jane - Live at Rockpalast, Bonn - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mB1zPfzrB7qSAhOUXYDQxjnBGOwG2eGKE
3 stars 2008: Werner Nadolny's Jane - Proceed with Memories (no playlist available) 
5 stars 2010: Werner Nadolny's Jane - Journey I: Best of Jane '70-'80 - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n1uPFA4nfe5hQ_g10dxqfu9PaJHvgz4SE
4 stars 2011: Werner Nadolny's Jane - Eternity (no playlist available)
5 stars 2011: Werner Nadolny's Jane - Live at Home Again II -- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mDtFnm3u2K2F6M1pvc5sgGW-XG98hqeus
 
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5 stars 1972: Jane - Together - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJfwklRIOOp2UgmHlYyA2U5DRmlZzINhw
5 stars 1977: Jane - Between Heaven and Hell - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4mJs-d4TCA
4 stars 1978: Jane - Age of Madness - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpzhlUmkQ34
4 stars 1979: Jane - Sign No. 9 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMzWXnVybeg
3 stars 1980: Jane - Jane (Mask) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0bYC79t_uw
3 stars 1986: Jane - Beautiful Lady - (no playlist available)
4 stars 1996: Peter Panka's Jane - Resurrection - (no playlist available)
4 stars 2003: Peter Panka's Jane - Shine On (no playlist available)
5 stars 2004: Peter Panka's Jane - Live at Rockpalast, Bonn - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mB1zPfzrB7qSAhOUXYDQxjnBGOwG2eGKE
3 stars 2008: Werner Nadolny's Jane - Proceed with Memories (no playlist available) 
5 stars 2010: Werner Nadolny's Jane - Journey I: Best of Jane '70-'80 - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n1uPFA4nfe5hQ_g10dxqfu9PaJHvgz4SE
4 stars 2011: Werner Nadolny's Jane - Eternity (no playlist available)
5 stars 2011: Werner Nadolny's Jane - Live at Home Again II -- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mDtFnm3u2K2F6M1pvc5sgGW-XG98hqeus
5 stars 2014: Werner Nadolny's Jane - Journey II: Transformation - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lZYEONybBcQNAq8spBjh1dfw9e5oSNnz8
 
Here I Am
 
 
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5 stars 1972: Jane - Together - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJfwklRIOOp2UgmHlYyA2U5DRmlZzINhw
5 stars 1977: Jane - Between Heaven and Hell - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4mJs-d4TCA
4 stars 1978: Jane - Age of Madness - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpzhlUmkQ34
4 stars 1979: Jane - Sign No. 9 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMzWXnVybeg
3 stars 1980: Jane - Jane (Mask) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0bYC79t_uw
3 stars 1986: Jane - Beautiful Lady - (no playlist available)
4 stars 1996: Peter Panka's Jane - Resurrection - (no playlist available)
4 stars 2003: Peter Panka's Jane - Shine On (no playlist available)
5 stars 2004: Peter Panka's Jane - Live at Rockpalast, Bonn - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mB1zPfzrB7qSAhOUXYDQxjnBGOwG2eGKE
3 stars 2008: Werner Nadolny's Jane - Proceed with Memories (no playlist available) 
5 stars 2010: Werner Nadolny's Jane - Journey I: Best of Jane '70-'80 - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n1uPFA4nfe5hQ_g10dxqfu9PaJHvgz4SE
4 stars 2011: Werner Nadolny's Jane - Eternity (no playlist available)
5 stars 2011: Werner Nadolny's Jane - Live at Home Again II -- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mDtFnm3u2K2F6M1pvc5sgGW-XG98hqeus
 
The Journey Continues (outro)
 
 
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5 stars 1972: Jane - Together - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJfwklRIOOp2UgmHlYyA2U5DRmlZzINhw
5 stars 1977: Jane - Between Heaven and Hell - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4mJs-d4TCA
4 stars 1978: Jane - Age of Madness - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpzhlUmkQ34
4 stars 1979: Jane - Sign No. 9 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMzWXnVybeg
3 stars 1980: Jane - Jane (Mask) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0bYC79t_uw
3 stars 1986: Jane - Beautiful Lady - (no playlist available)
4 stars 1996: Peter Panka's Jane - Resurrection - (no playlist available)
4 stars 2003: Peter Panka's Jane - Shine On (no playlist available)
5 stars 2004: Peter Panka's Jane - Live at Rockpalast, Bonn - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mB1zPfzrB7qSAhOUXYDQxjnBGOwG2eGKE
3 stars 2008: Werner Nadolny's Jane - Proceed with Memories (no playlist available) 
5 stars 2010: Werner Nadolny's Jane - Journey I: Best of Jane '70-'80 - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n1uPFA4nfe5hQ_g10dxqfu9PaJHvgz4SE
4 stars 2011: Werner Nadolny's Jane - Eternity (no playlist available)
5 stars 2011: Werner Nadolny's Jane - Live at Home Again II -- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mDtFnm3u2K2F6M1pvc5sgGW-XG98hqeus
 
Yet another recently-discovered offshoot of Jane...... Mother Jane, led by Klaus Hess
 


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