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I'm also ensuring that all outsourced work we get (I'm in IT) goes directly to our major partner in Kharkiv. 

They might not be able to do it. It's not important. As well as having a business relationship with them, we have personal, friendly relationships with them and they need help. And money. 

To everyone here who professes to care, if you care, you do something. So contribute to the Red Cross or some kind of humanitarian organisation. 

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Originally posted by Davesax1965 Davesax1965 wrote:

Originally posted by Archisorcerus Archisorcerus wrote:

Originally posted by Davesax1965 Davesax1965 wrote:

"Power".

No one in the history of Russia has ever chosen who leads them. ;-)

Oh, you seem too confident in your "end of discussion" toned take, before it even begins. Lots of other countries "picked" maniacs as their leaders. Should I give any example?


Well, if you have an Honours Degree in History,  with a 40 year interest in Russian history, was engaged to a Russian, speak Russian, have visited Russia, have friends in Ukraine and were going over to Kharkiv on business later this year, I'll be interested in your opinion. 

Unfortunately, my facts are somewhat better than your opinion. 

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Putin is mad
Stop trying to make sense of it
Stop trying to apply inappropriate historical precedent to it
It doesn't need analysis 
Your opinions are worth feck all 
Your actions count. 

My wife was volunteering at a Ukrainian Aid for Refugee centre yesterday. We donated three crates of stuff to help refugees and also to the Red Cross.

I have spent two weeks on Telegram to friends in Ukraine to make sure they're supported - at least morally - I'm doing what I can. 

Stop splitting hairs here or thinking that your opinion is of any sense or use whatsoever. It isn't. 

If you care, do something practical. 



For your information, I stopped reading your post after the first part. It is intolerable, to put it nicely. My "questions" were different. I don't have to have such a background to ask them, and for the comment I made thereafter. Come to your senses, and read them again. Your ridiculously arrogant attitude is insufferable. You surely went berserk.

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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Never trust anyone with beady eyes, putin looks like one of those cops that plants evidence.
From the beginning people have been telling me, 'this won't happen or that won't happen', and then it all happened. I do not under estimate how bad this may get and how strongly we may have to react.


You're right about Putin LOL, though he's had a few lessons learnt from Colin Powell's massive destruction arms reports in Irak. The Putin guy is really an arsehole, not to be trusted even with a bread.Dead

As or NATO being the aggressor, I think it's really the wrong word. Maybe agent provocateur or agent fomenteur is a better fit.

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I haven't fully researched this (since it seems to be at the heart of some PA dispute of recent times), but I don't think we're taking of the same "nazi phenomenon" on either side of this dispute.

I just saw a documentary about a black BBC reporter Reggie Yates investigating the Russian extreme-right nenazi hyordes (the man was taking big risks with his own safety, IMHO - because these guys looked like KKK-type hatred). Creepy and frightening stuff.  I don't think these neo-nazi hordes serve Putin's goals, though, because they litterally kick the sh*t of Uzbek, Kirghiz immigrants - which are coming from Putin's would-be "sister states".
And we're not talking about the Wagner Elite Korps  stuff either, which seem to be more of those 70/80's Central America's US special forces.


When it comes to the Ukrainian side, I think there is another kind of nazism, more linked to WW2's end. I lived 20 years in Toronto (North Am's second Ukranian city after Chicago - Wisconsin & Manitoba housing other important communities) and lived for a few years close to a Ukrainian neighbourhood (nothing like a ghetto, though). I had a few Ukrainian buddies and even had a very personal relationship with some of their sisters. TBH, when invited at home (the parents wanting to check out their progeny's friends or BF out), I was really not at ease looking at the family's library in some of those homes. Clearly some of my buddies were descendant of unrepenting WW2 criminals (some had real problems coping with that, and moved out of the house ASAP). Man, this was spooky as hell. I understand that most of those parents/grandparents went back to the homeland once the USSR was over in 90/91 to "finish their lives" over there. Apparently (please verify for yourself), the Ukrainien Soviet Republic did not do a very thorough purification process in its rank as other soviet republics might have done as well after the outcome of WW2.

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The other kind of nazism in Ukraine is not really related to WW2, but also much more than neo-nazi hooligan hordes most "caucasian" countries have to live with.
In a recent allocution asking for emergency integration in NATO and EU, Zelenski also promoted  the head of the Aïdar/Aydar "nazi batallion" (please again do your own research)  as ruler of Odessa (clearly a Russophile city - built by the Tzars in the XIXth C) region, but it seems no-one western balked at that announcement.


BTW, those Ukrainian soldiers heroically dying on the islands close to the Romanian territorial waters (it was ripped away from it along with Moldova and Bessarabia by Stalin and given to Ukraine - see the maps I posted on page 6 of this thread) are still alive and have never been attacked, from what I heard.Geek


geeeeezzzz, what a bloody snakepit mess we (the planet) are dealing with over there.DeadOuchNuke

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While we're talking Nuke , I feel more comfortable having the Tchernobyl and other site at the hand of Russians (who know how to deal with that stuff) than letting some quickly-built "unknowing" Ukrainian blinded by hatred milice fomenting some ways to take revenge on Rusxsians and do environmental catastrophe.


Screw Putin and his former KGB staff ambitions Dead
let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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wonder how long before Putin calls for martial law...  protests in 28 Russian cities today... 


and a new work week coming up in which the financial vice gets tighter. Supposedly they are to open their stock market back up on Tuesday... curious if that happens
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Just a thought : Imagine if Nato would not have "incorporated" the Baltic States, Poland, Hungary, Czecho/Slovakia, Bulgaria and Romania. Do you think Putin would hesitate to RETURN to "liberate and denazify" their way too easily lost territories (aka "buffer zones")?  After all, Vladimir stated that the collapse of the USSR was the single greatest catastrophe of the last century . Funny, I always thought from the Russian perspective that it was the Great patriotic War!. 

Now imagine that Nato was disbanded (as a criminal organization according to some) in 1990, and seeing how organized and unified the EU has been in the past 30 years, you think that Putin today would not take advantage of that ? 
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

wonder how long before Putin calls for martial law...  protests in 28 Russian cities today... 


and a new work week coming up in which the financial vice gets tighter. Supposedly they are to open their stock market back up on Tuesday... curious if that happens

Right. Justin Trudeau enacted Emergency War Powers against Canadian Truckers protesting medical mandates. The Trucker protest leaders lost their trucks, their livelihoods, and they're still in jail...without bail. Like many Folks, Trudeau is for Russian citizens protesting their government, while at the same time, Trudeau wants to imprison Canada's citizens for protesting his own government.  The hypocrisy is thick. 
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huh.... no just the idiocy getitng thicker..

take your petty politics elsewhere.. you are f**king moron and is the first and last time I address you in the thread. 

I've ignored you and your stupid posts.. so do me a favor and ignore me. 
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Again, for the sake of correctness, that was the anti-Putin oppositional TV station Dozhd'... Nothing very special, indeed. They have always been anti-Putin and pro-western. State TV channels' staffs do not seem to do something of the kind. So, it's a bit of a light manipulation, you know. 
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Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

wonder how long before Putin calls for martial law...  protests in 28 Russian cities today... 


and a new work week coming up in which the financial vice gets tighter. Supposedly they are to open their stock market back up on Tuesday... curious if that happens

Right. Justin Trudeau enacted Emergency War Powers against Canadian Truckers protesting medical mandates. The Trucker protest leaders lost their trucks, their livelihoods, and they're still in jail...without bail. Like many Folks, Trudeau is for Russian citizens protesting their government, while at the same time, Trudeau wants to imprison Canada's citizens for protesting his own government.  The hypocrisy is thick. 
They weren't protesting. They were creating an illegal blockade. If they had said their piece and then moved on it would have been no problem. Or if they were marching on the sidewalks with signs, again no problem. But for such a vastly small minority to hold the rest of us hostage over their refusal to comply with such simple and truly unobtrusive health requirements, gets them zero sympathy from this Canadian.
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Originally posted by Woon Deadn Woon Deadn wrote:

Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:


Again, for the sake of correctness, that was the anti-Putin oppositional TV station Dozhd'... Nothing very special, indeed. They have always been anti-Putin and pro-western. State TV channels' staffs do not seem to do something of the kind. So, it's a bit of a light manipulation, you know. 

For the sake of correctness, I offered ZERO commentary, as I am not a fan of The Guardian , a proto-leftist, fact-eliminating, anti-journalism rag that doesn't offer the opportunity to comment or rebuff statements but does ask for money LOLShocked. BTW, one can be European without being pro-Western (like the Visegrad Group) 
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Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

wonder how long before Putin calls for martial law...  protests in 28 Russian cities today... 


and a new work week coming up in which the financial vice gets tighter. Supposedly they are to open their stock market back up on Tuesday... curious if that happens

Right. Justin Trudeau enacted Emergency War Powers against Canadian Truckers protesting medical mandates. The Trucker protest leaders lost their trucks, their livelihoods, and they're still in jail...without bail. Like many Folks, Trudeau is for Russian citizens protesting their government, while at the same time, Trudeau wants to imprison Canada's citizens for protesting his own government.  The hypocrisy is thick. 

Where do you get your news, corn flake cereal boxes? And how lazy can you possibly be? As per norm let me point out PLEASE some factual errors, even though you are entitled to not verifying anything (a woke pastime)  as well as entitled to your own falsehoods. As I Canadian, I dislike Trudeau but he did enact and within a few hours REVOKE not the Emergency War Powers Act (basically marshal law last enacted during the 1970 FLQ crisis) but the Emergency Powers Act. Not the same. Secondly, the Ottawa "demonstrations" were an occupation that disrupted homes and businesses with endless nighttime honking and noise for 28 continuous days and the residents said enough. Third, the Covid-19 Mandates are 100% enacted by each provincial Premier, as each of these governmental entities have not endorsed the same laws, at the same time, as it is ENTIRELY dependent on the overflow in regional hospitals and not some arbitrary power grab to piss off people. Four, there are no overflowing jails full of truckers, who though they do have the right to complain, have no idea what freedom means as their suffering is somewhat muted in comparison to what is happening in Ukraine. Or Yemen, for that matter . This is a thread on Russia-Ukraine , please start one on Yemen or whatever you consider as "thick hypocrisy". 


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Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

Originally posted by Woon Deadn Woon Deadn wrote:

Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:


Again, for the sake of correctness, that was the anti-Putin oppositional TV station Dozhd'... Nothing very special, indeed. They have always been anti-Putin and pro-western. State TV channels' staffs do not seem to do something of the kind. So, it's a bit of a light manipulation, you know. 

For the sake of correctness, I offered ZERO commentary, as I am not a fan of The Guardian , a proto-leftist, fact-eliminating, anti-journalism rag that doesn't offer the opportunity to comment or rebuff statements but does ask for money LOLShocked. BTW, one can be European without being pro-Western (like the Visegrad Group) 

And I didn't criticize you. I just pointed out that the seemingly solid media like The Guardian are producing slightly manipulative videos. 
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Originally posted by Woon Deadn Woon Deadn wrote:

Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

Originally posted by Woon Deadn Woon Deadn wrote:

Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:


Again, for the sake of correctness, that was the anti-Putin oppositional TV station Dozhd'... Nothing very special, indeed. They have always been anti-Putin and pro-western. State TV channels' staffs do not seem to do something of the kind. So, it's a bit of a light manipulation, you know. 

For the sake of correctness, I offered ZERO commentary, as I am not a fan of The Guardian , a proto-leftist, fact-eliminating, anti-journalism rag that doesn't offer the opportunity to comment or rebuff statements but does ask for money LOLShocked. BTW, one can be European without being pro-Western (like the Visegrad Group) 

And I didn't criticize you. I just pointed out that the seemingly solid media like The Guardian are producing slightly manipulative videos. 

Oh, no worries, I felt no criticism whatsoever, I just wanted to be accurate about the lack of commentaryWinkPlease, put seemingly solid in quotation marks "", because a more revolting news source is hard to find on the left side of the equation. Embarrassed
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Originally posted by Woon Deadn Woon Deadn wrote:

Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

Originally posted by Woon Deadn Woon Deadn wrote:

Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:


Again, for the sake of correctness, that was the anti-Putin oppositional TV station Dozhd'... Nothing very special, indeed. They have always been anti-Putin and pro-western. State TV channels' staffs do not seem to do something of the kind. So, it's a bit of a light manipulation, you know. 

For the sake of correctness, I offered ZERO commentary, as I am not a fan of The Guardian , a proto-leftist, fact-eliminating, anti-journalism rag that doesn't offer the opportunity to comment or rebuff statements but does ask for money LOLShocked. BTW, one can be European without being pro-Western (like the Visegrad Group) 

And I didn't criticize you. I just pointed out that the seemingly solid media like The Guardian are producing slightly manipulative videos. 

There's a hybrid war going on right now. The Guardian is not immune to such things.
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

BTW, those Ukrainian soldiers heroically dying on the islands close to the Romanian territorial waters (it was ripped away from it along with Moldova and Bessarabia by Stalin and given to Ukraine - see the maps I posted on page 6 of this thread) are still alive and have never been attacked, from what I heard.Geek
Not true; they were attacked and presumed dead after their communication systems were destroyed, but they have since been confirmed to be alive as prisoners of war.


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About The Guardian:

I have posted an article written by an American analyst of the Cato's Institute (Massachussetts) just to prove that in the last years many Occidental analysts said: We better be beware to enlarge Nato to the East Europe.

The Guardian, as many worthy newspapers, publishes not only news from Ukraine but even analysis with different point of view.
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looks like the US signed off on the 3 way deal to get more fighter jets transferred to Ukraine via Poland.  Good move Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

About The Guardian:

I have posted an article written by an American analyst of the Cato's Institute (Massachussetts) just to prove that in the last years many Occidental analysts said: We better be beware to enlarge Nato to the East Europe.

The Guardian, as many worthy newspapers, publishes not only news from Ukraine but even analysis with different point of view.

Stop. Just stop. Quit apologizing for Putin. He is dead wrong. Totally to blame for his actions, and his actions alone. And speaking of the dead, if dear ol' Vlad dies tomorrow of a brain aneurysm brought about by his troops failure to defeat common citizens armed with antique rifles and Molotov cocktails (and we can only hope he dies soon), NATO will not be attacking Russia. No one will attack Russia. NATO did not attack Russia when the Iron Curtain fell. No one was marching to Moscow like Napoleon or Hitler. 

But you know what did happen? Countries long repressed by Soviet domination declared their independence. And all of them are in far better shape than when the USSR was dominating them, or annexing them, or quashing their independence movements. Europe, and Russia, for that matter, will be better when they slap together that 5'6'' pine box and bury your boy behind one of the urinals in the basement of the Kremlin. 
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