Lewian wrote: So Lorenzo you're going to tell the Polish, Moldavian, Lithuanian etc. people what's good for them? You think they (those who are NATO-members now) got it wrong in the nineties and would feel safer now without NATO and hardly any weapons and Putin's Russia as their neighbour, i.e., similar to the situation in which Ukraine is now? I'd be surprised if many of them agreed...

So Lorenzo you're going to tell the Polish, Moldavian, Lithuanian etc. people what's good for them? You think they (those who are NATO-members now) got it wrong in the nineties and would feel safer now without NATO and hardly any weapons and Putin's Russia as their neighbour, i.e., similar to the situation in which Ukraine is now? I'd be surprised if many of them agreed...

suitkees wrote: omphaloskepsis wrote: Why doesn't Biden sign a treaty with Putin that states- Ukraine will remain neutral in exchange for Russia leaving Ukraine? What's this colonial attitude? Ukraine is a sovereign country; Biden cannot sign anything for them. It is not up to Biden, nor up to Putin to decide what Ukraine should do. It is up to Ukraine to apply for a NATO membership (it is up to NATO to accept or not, and the USA will just be one of the voters in that), as it is up to Ukraine to apply for a EU membership (where it is up to EU to accept or not).

Biden, instead, can decide to stop the enlarging of the Nato. This is exactly the problem: the Us want to enlarge the Nato to Ukraine Sweden and Finland.
And even the European country should ask to stop the enlarging of the Nato.

In this way, the logic of war prevails. Nato is an old tool of the Cold War born to make wars.

The US have interest in maintaining the Nato because in this way the European countries are similar to their coloniee and in this way the EU will never got his own military force and will never have his own international politics.

But the European counties should think of their interests, and their interests are different from the Americans ones. For example, the first interest of an European should be live in peace with the Russia.
And if you want to live in peace, you give your hand, you don't hide yourself behind the mask of a war machine like Nato.

Edited by ExittheLemming - March 05 2022 at 05:41

I think the economic war and information war the West is having with Russia will spill over to the whole world and might actually eventually result a World War. With these sanctions and the information war that is happening is very reminiscent of the start of a wider armed conflict that will most likely drag in the West and Russia, and eventually, China.

omphaloskepsis wrote: Why hasn't the media reported about the Nazi battalion attacking the Donbas Ukraine non-stop since 2014. That's eight years of shelling East Ukrainian civilians. They're still there. Right now.

There is something I don't understand about the stationary convoy.  If it is only stuck because of logistical goof ups by the Russians, why wouldn't Ukraine be trying harder to attack them while they are stuck this way?  Is there something going on behind-the-scenes, an attempt by both sides to strike a deal?  Zelensky has been pleading with NATO to declare a no-fly zone over Ukraine which is not going to happen.  Perhaps Ukraine is holding off until the Russian air force readies to blast down Kyiv at which they will rush to the table?

^ Obviously, you think that Putin is a moral rational person who can be bargained with. He is not. He is a ruthless murderous thug who wants to kill as many Ukranian citizens as he possibly can. There is also a strategic reason for his madness that I'm sure you don't understand. Killing a large percentage of Ukrainians insures that there will be less patriots to fight against and mount insurgencies in the future, as well as crushing the spirit of those left alive.

Now, if you would like me to dispel your Biden lies, fallacies and right wing media misinformation, please post your BS in the American politics thread and leave this one available for those who can actually think.

Edited by SteveG - March 05 2022 at 12:00

jamesbaldwin wrote: tszirmay wrote: With all the massive respect I have for you, he started his first post with THIS IS MY OPINION, then every other comment he added began with @easymoney, @raff, @steve, @tszirmay etc...as if he was lecturing his students, when in fact, it is a clear PROVOCATION.  Also objecting to his endless use of "I" , which is clear sign of being haughty and having a strong sense of moral superiority. (I replaced his "I" with my "he" here, in order to elevate him even higher).  He has the gall to quote Talleyrand as an icon (happens to be mine)! If Talleyrand would read our exchange , he would have Robespierre revived and become Lorenzo's scissors sharpener.  There is no reason for you to be offended by my comments, my skin is tough, and while strident , I did not insult him arbitrarily. At my age, I will not be patronized by him or anyone else. If he is offended, well , action/reaction, I am sure he is a big boy and can take the heat! Nevertheless his omission of "NO more Putin" in his grand finale was the clincher.... shameful .... Oh my God,  - I quote more forumists in my answer to write once and for all - I write "I" to emphasize that it is my opinion or my experience - Talleyrand? I never mentioned Talleyrand - Omission of "No more Putin"? What does this mean? I do not understand. But Ok, no problem.