When was prog labeled?

It's certainly good to distinguish between "progressive rock" and "prog" when talking about the origins of these words/terms because the use of "prog" is much later than the one of "progressive rock", with I'm quite sure "prog rock" being used before "prog", and first beginning (much) later than "progressive rock".

While as I've already quoted:

BUT okay, I don't think this quotation tells anything about USA, and by the way, I understand now where "the term" "Dave" comes from, as I've seen you referring to it before. 

But still, where does "Dave" come from?

Hi,

I'm not sure that many of those "bunch of bands in the late 60's" intended to change the landscape of music, alone ... I think that a lot of the material was very much on par with the sociological and philosophical topics of the time, so (in my mind) suggesting that they intended to change music, would have been something that would likely get laughed at in many places. HOWEVER, a lot of the new things and contributions DID throw a lot of left curves at a lot of the recent/modern music, and showed some ability that the classical modes of music had lost ... almost all being a copy and a continuation of the same thing.

The other idea, is "talent". I'm not sure that any of us at 20/21/22 or 23 were talented, per se ... I think that we just wanted to do what we were doing as a band and do it RIGHT, so it could be interpreted as good music, instead of just nothing, or worse ... just another rock'n'roll song!!! However, when we get to see so many keyboard players coming from the classical music schools ... we pretty much now have understood that they were not going anywhere with a composition, because their professors would wipe their buns with it! THE TIME WAS RIGHT. And a bunch of groups showed up and these folks made a great impression. Making an impression is NOT talent, but when the player has the ability and quality to show how he does it, as both Keith and Rick did, the whole story changes ... and as we have seen ... quite a bit. But, if these players were to do a lot of their strengths on regular material (ie classical) things would normally be different, because the last thing anyone wants was to say that Keith (or Rick) totally destroyed such and such ... something that would hurt more than it helped, and Keith spent his time learning this from an even younger age on stage with The Nice.

I don't like to SEPARATE this definition from the time and place. It makes music look selfish and out of place, and renders a lot of it meaningless ... all of a sudden KC's perfect screenshot of London in those days seem like just a bunch of songs that are totally off kilter and out of touch ... no one can relate to the meaningful thoughts and ideas that were important at the time ... and we love to ignore those thoughts anyway here, so that hurts the music quality even more. But I would suggest, like the post suggested that the "talent" to do what was done with KC's first album was very important, however, it became meaningless in a line of succession of favorites and bands that scored. KC was too talented and "out there" to be considered a top 5 or top 10 band, SPECIALLY then, although they had an amazing amount of concerts that pretty much showed how much better prepared they were for a show than most bands ... that's not talent ... that's practice and a well defined direction.

 

The problem with this is that most people were not in London at that time. So those people who were not in London at that time can only see "a bunch of songs that are totally off kilter and out of touch". It's not the people's fault but KC's fault for being so esoteric. Hence, music should stand on its own in the absence of any context of history or location.

 

 

The term "progressive rock", taken literally, means "rock music that is forward looking". This is exactly opposite to retro rock music, which is looking backwards. I chose Wobbler - From Silence To Somewhere because it is an excellent example of retro prog (currently 26 in the all-time top 100 list).

 

David_D wrote: The word "progressive" can be given different connotations, or more rightly speaking, it doesn't have any specific connotation by it self. For instance, as it can be read in this thread, in Denmark it has had a very political meaning.

and what does "is forward looking" exactly mean? 

That's quite interesting to hear, Lewian, and I can't imagine otherwise than the term "progressive rock" was used in the 80's in relation to what now is called Neo-Prog .

David_D wrote: and what does "is forward looking" exactly mean?

The entry for Jethro Tull says "the group rapidly accrued a devoted following on the British "progressive" (their quotes) rock circuit alongside such contemporaries as Ten Years After, Fleetwood Mac, Pink Floyd and The Nice".

Yep...and I wish I had a dime for every time a thread was started on what is prog rock and when it started .