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Also, I'm not so fond of The Devil's Triangle, but I do like a lot Crimson's version of Mars as played live by the original line-up. And I guess I could add Lizard, that I didn't mention in my previous post.
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

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Generally the path to understanding the more obscure/lesser known bands would be to be exposed to the bigger more known bands and their catalog.
I don't think I could appreciate CAN today without being first exposed to Genesis, PF and Rush....

Interestingly, in later times, Can became quite popular among many music geeks (OK maybe they were always a musicians' band) who otherwise wouldn't appreciate prog classics.
Like I said "generally", for maybe us mentally disturbed proggers we would not need the classics to like CAN. I became mental after joining PA and had already been in touch with Genesis, PF and Rush.

Do you think more people today like CAN vs say 40yrs ago?

That's very hard to say... they were a minority thing then and now. What I mean is that now their appreciation isn't strongly connected to being a progger, but of course in the old days for some time prog itself wasn't much of a a niche thing but just rock on the adventurous side.
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Generally the path to understanding the more obscure/lesser known bands would be to be exposed to the bigger more known bands and their catalog.
I don't think I could appreciate CAN today without being first exposed to Genesis, PF and Rush....

Interestingly, in later times, Can became quite popular among many music geeks (OK maybe they were always a musicians' band) who otherwise wouldn't appreciate prog classics.
Like I said "generally", for maybe us mentally disturbed proggers we would not need the classics to like CAN. I became mental after joining PA and had already been in touch with Genesis, PF and Rush.

Do you think more people today like CAN vs say 40yrs ago?

That's very hard to say... they were a minority thing then and now. What I mean is that now their appreciation isn't strongly connected to being a progger, but of course in the old days for some time prog itself wasn't much of a a niche thing but just rock on the adventurous side.

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I think CAN is better known today than yesterday, however, it was not because of their work, but their name being mentioned all the time, and folks that gave Tago Mago half a listen, and immediately screamed progressive. It wasn't at all progressive. It was a "part" of the same styled artistic scenes in theater, film and other arts at the time, and CAN was a good representative, but Damo's busking is "better" than Klaus's improvisations which are famous, and the number of folks that ended up working with Wim Wenders and others ... and we don't like to know that the theater history of those days was full of experiments in sound and vision and placement, many of these ideas became some nice content for a lot of what we became to know as "krautrock".

So, in a sense, CAN is not "progger", until LANDED when they pulled out all the stops, with one problem, and Holger did it again in his first 2 solo albums ... he wore his mind and the TEAC's to the ground with cuts and cuts and more cuts and blends that were nuts but absolutely and totally far out ... and we don't talk of "Landed" as progressive, because many folks here can't listen to it, as it doesn't sound like any of the top 5 bands!

The problem/issue is placing a lot of these things IN CONTEXT ... not as a matter of preference. And too many of the replies and comments are about preference, not the art of it at all! And in this sense, CAN will never get anywhere, because it is not a top 5 or 10 band that had a big single on the radio! WE still think that is the part that makes them "progressive" ... and the reason why the same band is listed 10 times in the top 100!
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Generally the path to understanding the more obscure/lesser known bands would be to be exposed to the bigger more known bands and their catalog.
I don't think I could appreciate CAN today without being first exposed to Genesis, PF and Rush....

Interestingly, in later times, Can became quite popular among many music geeks (OK maybe they were always a musicians' band) who otherwise wouldn't appreciate prog classics.
Like I said "generally", for maybe us mentally disturbed proggers we would not need the classics to like CAN. I became mental after joining PA and had already been in touch with Genesis, PF and Rush.

Do you think more people today like CAN vs say 40yrs ago?

That's very hard to say... they were a minority thing then and now. What I mean is that now their appreciation isn't strongly connected to being a progger, but of course in the old days for some time prog itself wasn't much of a a niche thing but just rock on the adventurous side.
Can has more monthly listeners on Spotify than Emerson Lake and Palmer and King Crimson - five times more than Gentle Giant, TWENTY times more than my beloved VdGG (which I find quite shocking)... So yeah it's safe to say that more people like Can today than 40 years ago. I don't mean that looking at monthly plays is 100% proof regarding a bands relative populatity, but the listening stats is still a clear indication. Both Tago Mago and Future Days is in RYM's top 100 all time "best albums" too. Can are pretty huge. Just not in these parts of the internet.
 
The "average Can-listener" probably didn't discover them through Genesis, PF and Rush (my guess is that is mainly a PA-thing) but rather bands like - depending on one's age: Sonic Youth, Tortoise, Kraftwerk, Radiohead, Velvet Underground, Stereolab + reading Pitchfork and Wired.


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Anyone's Daughter - Adonis (Germany/1979).

Carol Of Harvest - Put On Your Nightcap (Germany/1978).
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personally the ones I like in that list:


"La Villa Strangiato" - Rush
"Xanadu" - Rush
"Incomudro - Hymn to the Atman" - Kansas
"2112" - Rush
"Illusions on a Double Dimple" - Triumvirat
"Father of Day, Father of Night" - Manfred Mann's Earth Band
"Grand Canyon Suite" - Refugee
"Lunar Musick Suite" - Steve Hillage
"The Valentyne Suite" - Colosseum
"Karn Evil 9" - ELP 
"Tarkus" - ELP
"All the Seats Were Occupied" - Aphrodite's Child
"Solar Musick Suite" - Steve Hillage
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