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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

5 stars An essential album that I'd be prepared to order specially.
4 stars A very good album that I'd buy off the shelf in a record store.
3 stars A good album, but I'd only buy it a bargain basement price.
2 stars A poor album that I'd never want to hear again, even if it was given away free.
 Absolutely dreadful!

But how many stars to give, is it just how much you like it, or you look at some specific criterias? 

Liking it is a specific criteria. LOL
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

5 stars An essential album that I'd be prepared to order specially.
4 stars A very good album that I'd buy off the shelf in a record store.
3 stars A good album, but I'd only buy it a bargain basement price.
2 stars A poor album that I'd never want to hear again, even if it was given away free.
 Absolutely dreadful!

But how many stars to give, is it just how much you like it, or you look at some specific criterias? 
Cristi's right. The specific criteria is whether I like an album or not after the first listen. Smile

By the way, I've only ever given a dismal 1-star rating to just one absolutely dreadful album...

 1970: Robert Wyatt - The End of an Ear

It's the first and last time I've ever listened to Robert Wyatt. Thumbs Down
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Cristi's right. The specific criteria is whether I like an album or not after the first listen. Smile

LOL    But you might had becomed so trained with your evaluation so you instinctively can do it with high critic quality. Big smile


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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Cristi's right. The specific criteria is whether I like an album or not after the first listen. Smile

LOL    But you might had becomed so trained with your evaluation so you instinctively can do it with high critic quality. Big smile

What is high-critique? Confused
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Cristi's right. The specific criteria is whether I like an album or not after the first listen. Smile

LOL    But you might had becomed so trained with your evaluation so you instinctively can do it with high critique quality. Big smile
I'm not even sure what that means. Confused


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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Cristi's right. The specific criteria is whether I like an album or not after the first listen. Smile

LOL    But you might had becomed so trained with your evaluation so you instinctively can do it with high critic quality. Big smile

very good critic quality


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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Something else, and which doesn't have anything to do with Marillion either, I'm curious about your way of rating albums. Which criteria do you use for that purpose?

I've asked about it because I've been thinking lately about possibilities of somehow objective criteria for rating, and I'm thinking about starting a thread with this topic.

Btw, according to my English dictionary, criteria is the plural form while criterion is the singular.


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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Cristi's right. The specific criteria is whether I like an album or not after the first listen. Smile

LOL    But you might had becomed so trained with your evaluation so you instinctively can do it with high critic quality. Big smile

very good critic quality

"very good critic quality"? Who cares? Do I need the approval of some critic to enjoy music? I don't think so. If I feel good listening to any kind of music, then that's that, I feel good. I don't get it... Confused
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

"very good critic quality"? Who cares? Do I need the approval of some critic to enjoy music? I don't think so. If I feel good listening to any kind of music, then that's that, I feel good. I don't get it... 

I agree, Cristi, and I was just kidding. So, for me it's absolutely no problem how Paul rates the albums he lists - even I think it would be good if the readers were aware of it. 

But I still find it interesting how it is concerning the possibilities of somehow (of course only partly) objective rating. 


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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

LOL    But you might had becomed so trained with your evaluation so you instinctively can do it with high critic quality. Big smile

Just for the record, I should have written "intuitively" in stead of "instinctively".


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Btw, Cristi, do you write any reviews?

Has PA written somewhere a detailed definition of rating grading?

And Paul, I find it still interesting on what basis you rate albums, because you do it of course on some basis - it can't be otherwise.



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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


Btw, Cristi, do you write any reviews?

Has PA written somewhere a detailed definition of rating grading?

And Paul, I find it still interesting on what basis you rate albums, because you do it of course on some basis - it can't be otherwise.


Yes, i wrote some reviews in the past. 
Obviously there is a rating system, not perfect, but here it is:

 Essential: a masterpiece of progressive rock music
43%
 Excellent addition to any prog rock music collection
34%
Good, but non-essential 
15%
Collectors/fans only 
6%
Poor. Only for completionists
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I've seen this rating description, Cristi, and was thinking about a more detailed definition of the rating grades.

About your reviews, can you tell me a bit about how you rated, on what basis?





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I've seen this rating description, Cristi, and was thinking about a more detailed definition of the rating grades.

About your reviews, can you tell me a bit about how you rated, on what basis?


on what basis? My own enjoyment of the music first of all. Then my thoughts on the songwriting and performance. That's all. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


I've seen this rating description, Cristi, and was thinking about a more detailed definition of the rating grades.

About your reviews, can you tell me a bit about how you rated, on what basis?


on what basis? My own enjoyment of the music first of all. Then my thoughts on the songwriting and performance. That's all. 
Yes, there's No Opportunity Necessary, No Experience Needed for rating and reviewing albums. Smile
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


I've seen this rating description, Cristi, and was thinking about a more detailed definition of the rating grades.

About your reviews, can you tell me a bit about how you rated, on what basis?


on what basis? My own enjoyment of the music first of all. Then my thoughts on the songwriting and performance. That's all. 
Yes, there's No Opportunity Necessary, No Experience Needed for rating and reviewing albums. Smile

I didn't mean that, just that we're all subjective when rating and reviewing and that's fine. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


I've seen this rating description, Cristi, and was thinking about a more detailed definition of the rating grades.

About your reviews, can you tell me a bit about how you rated, on what basis?


on what basis? My own enjoyment of the music first of all. Then my thoughts on the songwriting and performance. That's all. 
Yes, there's No Opportunity Necessary, No Experience Needed for rating and reviewing albums. Smile

I didn't mean that, just that we're all subjective when rating and reviewing and that's fine. 
Yes, I knew what you meant, but there's No Opportunity Necessary for me to post a Yessong here. Wacko
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Yes, there's No Opportunity Necessary, No Experience Needed for rating and reviewing albums. Smile

I totally agree, Paul, as long everbody is aware of that then it's just very subjective rating, or just what due to some reasons one like or think.

But another theoretical possibility is that rating can be done partly using some "objective" criteria, and I'm just interested in that kind of possibility - nothing else, don't get me wrong. Smile


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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Yes, there's No Opportunity Necessary, No Experience Needed for rating and reviewing albums. Smile

I totally agree, Paul, as long everbody is aware of that then it's just very subjective rating, or just what due to some reasons one like or think.

But another theoretical possibility is that rating can be done partly using some "objective" criteria, and I'm just interested in that kind of possibility - nothing else, don't get me wrong. Smile

so what would be an objective criteria for rating? Confused
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

so what would be an objective criteria for rating? Confused

You've mentioned two, songwriting and performance, it might be "composition", "creativity", "originality", ability to reflect the Zeitgeist. I don't remember exactly, I just know that some Prog magazines when making reviews and ratings have used some criteria which can be said to give the rating to some degree character of objectivity. 

That is at least an opinion some people find to be true, and I'm interested in hearing some more about that opinion. 


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