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    Posted: June 21 2005 at 21:42

im not saying dream theater are bad  but this website is making me hate dream theater every time i open this site theres a review of that damn album i dont think we need any more reviews

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It just came out, and Dream Theater is a highly commercial prog band...what do you expect?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2005 at 22:12
i really dislike their covers, I guess to computer generated looking.  thye lack any human touch to them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2005 at 05:31
DREAM THEATER Octavarium progressive rock album and reviews DREAM THEATER - Octavarium (2005)
Review (Permanent link) by Gatot Widayanto @ 5:06:57 AM EST, 6/22/2005
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4 stars  —   ”Sacrificed Sons” has killed me!

Review on Octavarium? Oh come on … it’s already 130 entries by now , with many differing views for those who hated it or loved it - all with their own reasons. That’s the beauty of prog isn’t it? This album may have won top marks for controversy – splitting fans old and new right down the middle. Those who like the heavy part of the band (as Mike Portnoy commented in DVD Live at Budokan about Japanese fans) would have hated this album. But those who wanted a change in the band’s music would have loved it. The fact is: the band is becoming much more popular now. It’s good, prog ruleszzz!!

I don’t want to call this as review – it’s more on experience sharing. For excellent reviews you can read those written by colleague collaborators FloydWright, FishyMonkey, Claude or review by Cam.

What I experienced was truly amazing: at first spin I was stuck with track no 7: Sacrificed Sons and kept repeating this track over and over. Oh man …. This track is truly awesome! Tell me, from which point you wanna have a discussion? Composition? It has a very tight composition strengthened with beautiful orchestration. Musicianship? You must be joking … who will argue on this subject? Melody? It’s definitely killing me! Honestly, at first spin I was wrong seeing the track title and I thought it was Never Enough. But I was really hooked to the music especially the melody! For me, this track is reflecting my experience in 1985 when I heard Marillion’s Heart of Lothian “It’s getting late …” which the melody was also killing me and got me repeating the track over and over. It applies the same with Sacrificed Sons. Initially, I was not aware on what subject this track was talking about but I was totally numb listening the musical harmony produced through this track. There is only one single phrase that best describes what I feel – and my apology for using my locality language – it’s called: "mbrebes mili" (having tears in my eyes) and "nggeblak" (I’m stunned and my mind is totally paralyzed) enjoying the wonderful music of "Sacrificed Sons". Only by today I read the lyrics ..and now I realize the context of the lyrics, and am having more tears really with the touching lyrics. We share the same experience with the 9/11 even though the main cause was different; it’s an act of God the Almighty, the Merciful – through the tsunami disaster.

The song starts off with news about the appearances of an extraordinarily well coordinated and devastating terrorist attack— But there are times in your life that are life changing, where your life can never be the same and this appears certainly to be one of them. What a touchy phrase! It is then followed with a silent passage where piano touch fills the silent followed with drum beats that brings the music in mellow style. LaBrie’s voice enters wonderfully “Walls are closing anxiously …” oh my God .. what a fabulous melody and words! And when the lyrical part reaches “Who would wish this on our people” it makes my pulse racing very very rapidly (this is true, I’m not joking at all!); continued with another nice shot: “And proclaim That His will be done Scriptures they heed have misled them All praise their Sacrificed sons . All praise their Sacrificed sons “ … uuuhhhhh …. What a killing melody here! I like the way when Labrie sings “All praise their Sacrificed sons”. Hmmm .. I’m not done yet! The keyboard and orchestration sounds that follow are really nice and killing the listener. I mean it. Nggeblak man! I thought that’s “it” but it is not done. The band has not finished to make me really dying: the music turns into faster tempo with really amazing interlude (instrumental break)! I cannot believe human being can create this great combination of hard driving rhythm, nice melody and awesome orchestration into one cohesive whole! It’s so melodic and really memorable. Enough .. enough … I can not continue. You might think I’m exaggerating. Honestly, I am NOT! Am stunned. I don’t even mind the band lends the Beatles melody “I Want You” nuance in its orchestration part.

The band’s previous album “Train of Thought” means to me as “Stream of Consciousness” and with Octavarium, this means to me “Sacrificed Sons”. This one track has overruled other things. I don’t mean to say that other tracks are not excellent. The epic Octavarium is a great one where it has influences of previous bands like Pink Floyd (intro of Shine On You Crazy Diamond) and surprisingly Pallas (intro of Beat The Drum). I also like the high energy “Never Enough” especially in its rhythm section where keyboard and bass lines work nicely, keyboard solo; and also it has a good melody. The Root of All Evil is I think the band’s continuation of “This Dying Soul” (ToT). “I Walk Beside You” intro is reminiscent of King Crimson. “Panic Attack” is another excellent track. The only problem with this album is two ballad tracks: “The Answer Lies Within” and “I Walk Beside You”. Both are too poppy and the structure are both too straight forward. I do not favor these two tracks. So, I give an overall rating of 4.5 out of 5 stars. Highly recommended. Keep on proggin’ …!!

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GW – Review #325

”Who would wish this on our people. And proclaim That His will be done Scriptures they heed have misled them. All praise their Sacrificed sons. All praise their Sacrificed sons”

 
YES PEOPLE PLEASE STOP WITH REVIEWING OCTAVARIUM, IT ONLY CAUSES PEOPLE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT PEOPLE REVIEWING THE ALBUM, THIS IS NOT A SITE FOR ALBUM REVIEWS, GO REVIEW IT ON PROGNOSIS, OR ANYWHERE, BUT NOT HERE, THIS IS PROGARCHIVES, THE SITE WHERE YOUR OPINION DOESN'T COUNT.
 
May I suggest, that we stop complaining about the high number off reviews and attention a band gets. Obviously they have a huge fan base, and create quality music, they wouldn't be so popular otherwise, I'm not a fan, far from it, but this is ridiculous
 
Dream Theater keep progging, generate interest in progressive rock, what's wrong with that.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2005 at 05:39
Ok, we know by now. 130 reviews have hammered it into my brain. I believe these many reviews are not there to give us some info, these reviews are used to continue a battle between those who love and those who hate Dream Theater. This is absolutely childish. Some seem to think this site is a playpen. Perhaps they need to be reminded that kids in a playpen usually have pacifiers in their mouths.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2005 at 10:51
Originally posted by tuxon tuxon wrote:

DREAM THEATER Octavarium progressive rock album and reviews DREAM THEATER - Octavarium (2005)
Review (Permanent link) by Gatot Widayanto @ 5:06:57 AM EST, 6/22/2005
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4 stars  —   ”Sacrificed Sons” has killed me!

Review on Octavarium? Oh come on … it’s already 130 entries by now , with many differing views for those who hated it or loved it - all with their own reasons. That’s the beauty of prog isn’t it? This album may have won top marks for controversy – splitting fans old and new right down the middle. Those who like the heavy part of the band (as Mike Portnoy commented in DVD Live at Budokan about Japanese fans) would have hated this album. But those who wanted a change in the band’s music would have loved it. The fact is: the band is becoming much more popular now. It’s good, prog ruleszzz!!

I don’t want to call this as review – it’s more on experience sharing. For excellent reviews you can read those written by colleague collaborators FloydWright, FishyMonkey, Claude or review by Cam.

What I experienced was truly amazing: at first spin I was stuck with track no 7: Sacrificed Sons and kept repeating this track over and over. Oh man …. This track is truly awesome! Tell me, from which point you wanna have a discussion? Composition? It has a very tight composition strengthened with beautiful orchestration. Musicianship? You must be joking … who will argue on this subject? Melody? It’s definitely killing me! Honestly, at first spin I was wrong seeing the track title and I thought it was Never Enough. But I was really hooked to the music especially the melody! For me, this track is reflecting my experience in 1985 when I heard Marillion’s Heart of Lothian “It’s getting late …” which the melody was also killing me and got me repeating the track over and over. It applies the same with Sacrificed Sons. Initially, I was not aware on what subject this track was talking about but I was totally numb listening the musical harmony produced through this track. There is only one single phrase that best describes what I feel – and my apology for using my locality language – it’s called: "mbrebes mili" (having tears in my eyes) and "nggeblak" (I’m stunned and my mind is totally paralyzed) enjoying the wonderful music of "Sacrificed Sons". Only by today I read the lyrics ..and now I realize the context of the lyrics, and am having more tears really with the touching lyrics. We share the same experience with the 9/11 even though the main cause was different; it’s an act of God the Almighty, the Merciful – through the tsunami disaster.

The song starts off with news about the appearances of an extraordinarily well coordinated and devastating terrorist attack— But there are times in your life that are life changing, where your life can never be the same and this appears certainly to be one of them. What a touchy phrase! It is then followed with a silent passage where piano touch fills the silent followed with drum beats that brings the music in mellow style. LaBrie’s voice enters wonderfully “Walls are closing anxiously …” oh my God .. what a fabulous melody and words! And when the lyrical part reaches “Who would wish this on our people” it makes my pulse racing very very rapidly (this is true, I’m not joking at all!); continued with another nice shot: “And proclaim That His will be done Scriptures they heed have misled them All praise their Sacrificed sons . All praise their Sacrificed sons “ … uuuhhhhh …. What a killing melody here! I like the way when Labrie sings “All praise their Sacrificed sons”. Hmmm .. I’m not done yet! The keyboard and orchestration sounds that follow are really nice and killing the listener. I mean it. Nggeblak man! I thought that’s “it” but it is not done. The band has not finished to make me really dying: the music turns into faster tempo with really amazing interlude (instrumental break)! I cannot believe human being can create this great combination of hard driving rhythm, nice melody and awesome orchestration into one cohesive whole! It’s so melodic and really memorable. Enough .. enough … I can not continue. You might think I’m exaggerating. Honestly, I am NOT! Am stunned. I don’t even mind the band lends the Beatles melody “I Want You” nuance in its orchestration part.

The band’s previous album “Train of Thought” means to me as “Stream of Consciousness” and with Octavarium, this means to me “Sacrificed Sons”. This one track has overruled other things. I don’t mean to say that other tracks are not excellent. The epic Octavarium is a great one where it has influences of previous bands like Pink Floyd (intro of Shine On You Crazy Diamond) and surprisingly Pallas (intro of Beat The Drum). I also like the high energy “Never Enough” especially in its rhythm section where keyboard and bass lines work nicely, keyboard solo; and also it has a good melody. The Root of All Evil is I think the band’s continuation of “This Dying Soul” (ToT). “I Walk Beside You” intro is reminiscent of King Crimson. “Panic Attack” is another excellent track. The only problem with this album is two ballad tracks: “The Answer Lies Within” and “I Walk Beside You”. Both are too poppy and the structure are both too straight forward. I do not favor these two tracks. So, I give an overall rating of 4.5 out of 5 stars. Highly recommended. Keep on proggin’ …!!

Progressively yours,

GW – Review #325

”Who would wish this on our people. And proclaim That His will be done Scriptures they heed have misled them. All praise their Sacrificed sons. All praise their Sacrificed sons”

 
YES PEOPLE PLEASE STOP WITH REVIEWING OCTAVARIUM, IT ONLY CAUSES PEOPLE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT PEOPLE REVIEWING THE ALBUM, THIS IS NOT A SITE FOR ALBUM REVIEWS, GO REVIEW IT ON PROGNOSIS, OR ANYWHERE, BUT NOT HERE, THIS IS PROGARCHIVES, THE SITE WHERE YOUR OPINION DOESN'T COUNT.
 
May I suggest, that we stop complaining about the high number off reviews and attention a band gets. Obviously they have a huge fan base, and create quality music, they wouldn't be so popular otherwise, I'm not a fan, far from it, but this is ridiculous
 
Dream Theater keep progging, generate interest in progressive rock, what's wrong with that.

I thought after reading this forum and the DT forum...that I was the only one who felt this song the same way.  What an intensley powerful song  "There are times in our lives that are life changing, when your life can never be the same, and this appears to be one of them"  A simple commentary...yet to me..extremely poignant and powerful.

Besides the lyrical content, wich are outstanding.....remember, all these guys had to do was look out their front yards to see this take place being in Long Island, the music is powerful and very well thought out.  The Riff JP goes into at 7:00 - 7:32...wow! I remember the footage, think it was from the French Brothers with the Firefighters.......when they hear the jet...pan the camera skyward, as the plane slams into the tower.  That Riff....I hear it...and this is what I see.  Just a truelly phenominal and powerful song.

My only confussion, and I guess it's interpretive, is the chorus "All praise their sacrificed Sons" Who do you think they are reffering to?

"Who would wish this on our people?..And proclaim that his will be done" Sacrificed Sons - Dream Theater
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2005 at 11:54

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Ok, we know by now. 130 reviews have hammered it into my brain. I believe these many reviews are not there to give us some info, these reviews are used to continue a battle between those who love and those who hate Dream Theater. This is absolutely childish. Some seem to think this site is a playpen. Perhaps they need to be reminded that kids in a playpen usually have pacifiers in their mouths.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2005 at 11:59

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Some seem to think this site is a playpen.

 

this site isnt a playpen?!?!?!?!

its the friggin internet!  we all need to get lives and stop thinking that what we think really matters...

and to the one who started the thread - no one cares.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2005 at 15:50
I'm going to get round to reviewing it at some point....don't care if there are one hundred and thirty million reviews by the time I do it.So far this year I can't think of any other prog albums that are even close to it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2005 at 19:08
stop making threads complaining about Octavarium review pleas
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2005 at 19:23
Yea, I agree with con safo, why care? When you can love?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2005 at 19:24
Originally posted by colin007 colin007 wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Some seem to think this site is a playpen.

 

this site isnt a playpen?!?!?!?!

its the friggin internet!  we all need to get lives and stop thinking that what we think really matters...

and to the one who started the thread - no one cares.

Well put.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2005 at 19:34

How about stop writing reviews for Dream Theater.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2005 at 19:38
Originally posted by Wizard/TRueStar Wizard/TRueStar wrote:

How about stop writing reviews for Dream Theater.

How about No? Face it, a lot of people here LIKE Dream Theater.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2005 at 19:39
Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Originally posted by Wizard/TRueStar Wizard/TRueStar wrote:

How about stop writing reviews for Dream Theater.

How about No? Face it, a lot of people here LIKE Dream Theater.

i agree - who cares no one makes you read them

and I stopped looking at the top 50 list a while ago.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2005 at 19:42
Originally posted by NetsNJFan NetsNJFan wrote:

Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Originally posted by Wizard/TRueStar Wizard/TRueStar wrote:

How about stop writing reviews for Dream Theater.

How about No? Face it, a lot of people here LIKE Dream Theater.

i agree - who cares no one makes you read them

and I stopped looking at the top 50 list a while ago.

The list was VERY misleading anyways, so really... I only come here to the forums or if I wanted some free mp3s.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2005 at 14:35
I only come on here for the forums, and to find new bands and download MP3s... It's just a review, get over it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2005 at 17:04
For my it's indifferent if there is something of dream theater I don't see it and thats it. I don't care about them. Nobody forces me to do it. (Only in this occasion)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2005 at 12:37
It's just a review, what the h**l is wrong with that!!!
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