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No Paladin I see.

I personally think that "Epic Forest" is the best Rare Bird release.
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AFlowerKingCrimson - yep, I was one of the contributors to this list and the guy who collected all the votes and summed them up. You should not post the list here. Plenty of the bands/albums don't fit the criteria I listed in my first post. They are not from UK, plenty albums not from early 70s and some of them are well-known bands with Top 100 albums on UK charts.

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Originally posted by Hugh Manatee Hugh Manatee wrote:

I personally think that "Epic Forest" is the best Rare Bird release.

Isn't it a beauty and challenge of progressive rock? We, progressive rock fans can't agree on anything. 
Put 5 progressive rock fans in one room (with different background/age) - ask them 5 questions:
1. What are the Big 5 bands of prog-rock?
2. What are 5 the greatest prog-rock albums?
3. What do you consider as first prog-rock album ever recorded?
4. What was the first progressive rock group?
5. What is the best Rare Bird album?

and they all give you different answers.

My favorite Rare Bird album, by far is "As Your Mind Flies By".


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Originally posted by enigmatic enigmatic wrote:

AFlowerKingCrimson - yep, I was one of the contributors to this list and the guy who collected all the votes and summed them up. You should not post the list here. Plenty of the bands/albums don't fit the criteria I listed in my first post. They are not from UK, plenty albums not from early 70s and some of them are well-known bands with Top 100 albums on UK charts.


Oh ok. I didn't know that you were involved. Also, to be honest I don't see what harm it is having that list in this thread especially since I said not all are from the UK. I think about 90 percent are from the UK anyway. Again, I don't see what the big deal is though or see the harm in having it on here. I think we all need to relax a bit sometimes and not worry about the small stuff. Wink


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Ok, I just changed it so the words "not all of these are from the UK" is in bolded text. I hope that's good enough for you. ;) 

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I am relaxed, I am very relaxed. I turned 60 this year, with high blood pressure, so I have to be relaxed. I am here to talk about music, find some friends, not enemies.
Can I ask you to remove non-UK bands, and successful, charted UK bands like Colosseum, Procol Harum, Greenslade Traffic and Family from the list. Just to avoid confusion. TIA.

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Originally posted by enigmatic enigmatic wrote:

I am relaxed, I am very relaxed. I turned 60 this year, with high blood pressure, so I have to be relaxed. I am here to talk about music, find some friends, not enemies.
Can I ask you to remove non-UK bands, and successful, charted UK bands like Colosseum, Procol Harum, Traffic and Family from the list. Just to avoid confusion.

Dude, you're killing me! Ok, fine. I'll remove those bands. Any others you want removed?
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If you were truly relaxed you wouldn't be making such an issue out of the list I posted. 

Again, I really don't see what the big deal is. You have already stated which bands are not obscure. I don't think most reading this thread care (except you that is). 

Anyway, I could say your thread title is misleading because you said second tier when you really meant third tier. The bands you mentioned on my list that are too well known are all second tier. None of them are first tier. 


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Originally posted by enigmatic enigmatic wrote:

Originally posted by Hugh Manatee Hugh Manatee wrote:

I personally think that "Epic Forest" is the best Rare Bird release.

Isn't it a beauty and challenge of progressive rock? We, progressive rock fans can't agree on anything. 
Put 5 progressive rock fans in one room (with different background/age) - ask them 5 questions:
1. What are the Big 5 bands of prog-rock?
2. What are 5 the greatest prog-rock albums?
3. What do you consider as first prog-rock album ever recorded?
4. What was the first progressive rock group?
5. What is the best Rare Bird album?

and they all give you different answers.

My favorite Rare Bird album, by far is "As Your Mind Flies By".

Please don't take it personally. It was an opinion, not a criticism.

It's all subjective remember.
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Again, I really don't see what the big deal is. You have already stated which bands are not obscure. I don't think most reading this thread care (except you that is). 

I certainly think, it's best to follow the OP.
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Again, I really don't see what the big deal is. You have already stated which bands are not obscure. I don't think most reading this thread care (except you that is). 

I certainly think, it's best to follow the OP.

Not least when it's very obviously that the opener is much engaged in the topic.
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Hugh Manatee - thank you for your feedback and contribution to this thread. And I hope you didn't take my post personally. As you pointed out, it's all subjective. We react to music in different ways.
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Enigmatic - I sent you a pm. 

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Originally posted by enigmatic enigmatic wrote:

 thank you for your feedback and contribution to this thread. And I hope you didn't take my post personally. As you pointed out, it's all subjective. We react to music in different ways.

It is entirely my pleasure. I commend you for bringing attention to these lesser know acts of that period.

Music is at its core about emotion and I wouldn't have it any other way.
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Originally posted by enigmatic enigmatic wrote:

moshkito - I am glad you mentioned the name Edgar Broughton Band. I've been on different progressive rock forums since 1995 when I purchased my first PC. I've met many different people and some of them had very high regards about the EBB. "Wasa Wasa" by many is considered one of the greatest albums recorded in 1969.
When comes to the music from early 70s, I am more of a fan of eclectic prog, symphonic prog, space-rock, Canterbury scene. progressive folk, so that's why the EBB is not included on my list of favorite uncharted, second tier UK bands from early 70s.
Should they be listed on PA? Absolutely, I totally agree. Most likely together with another band from the same period: Pete Brown & Piblokto!

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I kinda thought that the EBB fit all those terms except "symphonic" since we only use that term when KEYBOARDS are used, and the EBB did not use them a lot earlier on. They didn't need to, since the lyrics drove the band and the ideas at the time. For all intents and purposes, Edgar is STILL a very adventurous and politically concerned person, and it was part of the band. 

Pete Brown & Piblokto ... is more of a nice thing to have to get an idea, but the sad thing about all of Pete Brown's stuff with anyone else but Cream, did not quite make it, and often sounded rather sad. It was as if the folks did not understand the lyrics, and could not interpret it musically without a format already used ... as his words appear to be fine in many of the efforts. Just slightly misused.

Reminds me of Syd Barrett's solo albums, and how folks interpreted the stuff, and end up making a not so great mess of the whole thing, and Robert Wyatt describes it better, on a song that they are trying to nail down, and the lead guitarist asks him what chord is Syd on? And Robert's reply, is the scariest thing for all musicians in this board! "He doesn't know the chords! He just plays!" ... meaning you have to listen and stick with what he is doing, and most musicians can not do that without "knowing" what key things are in!

I kinda thought the same thing about Pete Sinfield, when people tried to make "songs" of his words, and it didn't quite work well. The lyrics required a certain freedom of music that simply was not there, and those folks were trying to put conventional structures to his words, and the combination was not very good, when compared to how his words were used in other places, and specially used by Greg Lake, who probably knew that those words were not exactly to be "sung" as much as acted out first.

(Kinda makes a distinction between musicians and artists?)


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Nice tread, know most of those albums and although most a not up to the level one albums we all know, they are def. Still very nice.



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^ I never said they weren't. Lol.
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Originally posted by enigmatic enigmatic wrote:

I don't think it has been mentioned yet - Tonton Macoute - s/t (1971).
I forgot to include it in my initial post. Very interesting and melodic jazz influenced progressive rock with  sax, clarinet, flute, organ and vibes besides usual instruments. Highly recommended!
I've seen Top 110 British prog albums list posted by Psychedelic Paul. Even he likes does album! Smile

Next but not least - Darryl Way's Wolf. All 3 albums released by this band are worth checking. My favorite is "Canis Lupus" from 1973 with Ian McDonald as a producer and guest musician.

Love Ton Ton Macoute (cd)....still looking for a bargain on old vinyl...I have all the Darryl Way Wolf things on old vinyl.
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Originally posted by Hugh Manatee Hugh Manatee wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:


Great list...have all of those except for Aardvark, Fuzzy Duck and Greatest Show....even have a handful on original vinyl.
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That Fuzzy Duck album is excellent IMHO. It's a real shame that they only released that one album.

Meant to get it a few years back but it got lost on the list of things to buy.
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