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ExittheLemming 
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 Posted: December 11 2021 at 03:18 |
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Jeremy Corbyn or Boris Johnson? The choice the British electorate had in December 2019 was effectively between strangulation and drowning. There are bacteria in Petri dishes with more humanity. Viva emigration!
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Sean Trane
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Posted: December 11 2021 at 04:28 |
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Dare I say that only Nigel Barrage (for the amazing quantities of lies he's spoken in a different parliament) would make a worse premier. Totally inept political animal, light years beyond BoJo... D Cameron completing the podium, +/- tied with Major. As much as I hate her, at least Maggie Bitcher, she got the UK to the 21st C. Bo Jo, who hadn't dreamt of a political career when he left journalism always "à la recherche du bon mot". There is fascinating documentary about him and his pro-Europe family, but somehow a series of opportunities (which he seized with much thoughts) lead him to where he is nowadays.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Syzygy
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Posted: December 11 2021 at 06:07 |
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I hope that de Pfeffel stays in No.10 until the next election. If he's replaced we'll wind up with someone with equally deranged policies but the ability to keep a lid on any scandals, and by the next election Alexander de Pfeffel's omnishambles will be water under the bridge.
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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
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Psychedelic Paul
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Posted: December 11 2021 at 06:30 |
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Let's hope de Pfeffel is "de Pfunct" before the next election.
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richardh
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Posted: December 15 2021 at 01:49 |
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David Icke talked about the men in grey suits and lizard people and such. Politicians are generally hated but what BJ has successfully done is unite many British people (alright perhaps the English more so but lets not talk about Nicola Sturgeon) . I seriously doubt that there is anyone remotely better at the moment. We need leadership and he provides this. Yes it's all a bit of a sh*t show but the world is a bit of a sh*t show and we are all going to die when mass migration reaches a tipping point as sea levels rise and governments refuse to initiate climate change goals. BJ is literally the tip of the melting ice berg.
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Blacksword
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Posted: December 15 2021 at 01:58 |
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He is a reflection of where we are now, as a society. Trump was that same reflection in the US. I never underestimate the stupidity of the working class tory voter in the UK, to keep these reptiles in power, just because their casual xenophobia chimes with them. One thing is for certain, if Russia mount an invasion of Ukraine next year, you want someone with bigger balls and brains than Johnson, in charge. |
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Jared
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Posted: December 15 2021 at 02:37 |
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Andy, you have hit the nail on the head in this sentence. I have long said that all the Tories need to do is, every 4/5 years to convince a large enough percentage of the middle ground that they are like them/ can aspire to become like them/ have their interests at heart, to persuade them to vote the Tories back in with promises to put more cash in the pockets of the hard working Brits, before turning their back on them once more for another term, while they prioritise their own interests... it's been happening every election since 1951 and by and large, they are very successful at it. Meanwhile the wealth inequalities in this country are now as marked as they were in the 1920's.
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Hugh Manatee
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Posted: December 15 2021 at 02:48 |
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Yes, the rise of the populist politician is a problem far and wide. They feed off the fear of their followers and the apathy and stasis of everyone else. As Thomas Jefferson said "The government you get is the government you deserve." As far as I'm concerned, those who want to be politicians are the worst people for the job. Edited by Hugh Manatee - December 15 2021 at 02:49 |
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Jared
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Posted: December 15 2021 at 03:10 |
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Our House of Commons has many hard working, dedicated MPs for whom it is their only source of income and who entered politics to strive to make a real difference for the constituents they serve, in a place they love, are from and spend most of their time when they aren't in London. We have other MPs who treat the job as a part time position while they strive to earn huge consultancy fees while sitting on boards in non-executive positions and get paid £350 per hour, filling in questionnaires, relatively unconcerned that the care workers in their constituencies earn £9 per hour and are unable to conceive of a time when they are no longer reliant on claiming Universal Credit to make ends meet. Right, I'll get off my soap box before I get reported in an Admin thread..
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Blacksword
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Posted: December 15 2021 at 03:49 |
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Indeed, and I think the only thing that's changed slightly with the tories is their approach to hoodwinking the 'working man' It used to be a calm, smug and gently persuasive approach, based on the promise of increased wealth. NOW, it's based on the berating of 'experts' dismissed as either 'liberal' or 'left wing' favouring instead base arguments on personal liberty and national sovereingty. Kier Starmer isn't really offering an alternative, so I think we're stuck with what we've got, and we're basically stuffed. Boris will be booted out by his own party eventually, and replaced with the likes of Dominic Raab or Rishi Sunak, and the latter would ensure electoral victory IMO. |
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Hugh Manatee
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Posted: December 15 2021 at 03:53 |
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Hmm...yes, there may well be people who enter politics with high ideals. Peter Garrett from the band Midnight Oils found out soon enough how ineffectual high ideals can be in politics.
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Jared
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Posted: December 15 2021 at 04:06 |
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I'm afraid the left only have themselves to blame for this, because it has become too divided and polarised between the very real needs of the working class and the sensibilities of the left-wing liberal Islington elite. In this regard, the parallels with our Labour party and the US Democrats' search for cohesion is a little too close for comfort. If we were ever in need of a reminder, the scenes at the last Labour party conference highlighted the deep divisions within the party, which I fear will not be healed in time for the next couple of elections at least. In fact, I don't think it's too fanciful a suggestion to say the LP might break in two, with the former group becoming unelectable by joining the Lib Dems and the latter, Momentum section, forming an unelectable Socialist Workers Party.... Cheers up Andy, we could have Priti Patel as PM...
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Posted: December 15 2021 at 04:29 |
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Good post, Jared. Any government needs an effective opposition and that's been sadly lacking. Labour have no discernible policies or plans and just play 'soundbite' politics, which the British electorate have made clear they don't buy into, hence Labour being out of power since Blair. Any party where the leader is a grey, humourless lawyer with a deputy whose been elected by a different wing of the party (and who he can't remove) is in trouble. Especially if that deputy is a car crash unless you want your politicians to be ignorant, abusive and shouty. Best hope for the Tories is Penny Mordaunt. here she is putting Angela back in her box after her maiden speech: |
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Posted: December 15 2021 at 05:01 |
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I agree totally. The labour party is too divided. They're effectively finished. A split at some point is highly probable. The tories are sadly, in a pretty safe place right now, with or without Johnson. I regard that 'Islington liberal elite' as a movement in it's own right, which transcends conservatism and liberalism. Edited by Blacksword - December 15 2021 at 05:29 |
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Posted: December 15 2021 at 09:26 |
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Hi, And the saddest and worst part of it all? WE DO ABOSLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT IT, except watch the soap opera every day, or week! It says more about the public than it does for the politician, because if the public really meant it, he would not be there tomorrow!
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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Posted: December 17 2021 at 02:25 |
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Seems very true to me. The great Scottish comedian Billy Connolly has said this many times and it always resonated with me. BJ is not a nice person for sure but I genuinely believe he has done okay during the pandemic. It's not clear to me that anyone could have done better , but then I voted for Brexit so I'm not the best person to judge. However the people of North Shropshire have spoken and his days are clearly numbered. I think he believed that Omicron could be like Falklands was for Thatcher hence that nonsense last Sunday. We are surely going to push the NHS over the cliff the way it's going and the fall out is going to be felt for many years.
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Syzygy
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Posted: December 17 2021 at 03:59 |
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Boris Johnson is at the bottom of a deep hole that he dug for himself. When Owen Paterson refused to accept his slap on the wrist for a flagrant breach of parliamentary standards Boris came up with a transparent scheme to get him off the hook and organised a 3 line whip to force it through. He caused this by election and the Brexit supporting electorate of one of the Tories' safest seats voted for the only openly pro remain mainstream party.
I really hope that he holds on as leader until the next election. I think that he has some way to go until he makes the Conservatives completely unelectable. |
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I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
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Hugh Manatee
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Posted: December 17 2021 at 05:02 |
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The problem, as has been pointed out on this foruum, is that there is no real viable alternative. Politicians are at least savvy enough to be able to gauge which way the wind blows and what it takes to get elected to the point where they all start sounding the same and there is no real discernable difference between them, despite their apparent opposing stances. It reminds me of The Simpsons episode where the voters choice is between Jack Johnson and John Jackson.
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Psychedelic Paul
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Posted: December 17 2021 at 05:15 |
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I Love Penny Mordaunt!   Edited by Psychedelic Paul - December 17 2021 at 05:15 |
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Syzygy
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Posted: December 17 2021 at 06:56 |
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Regarding opposition, there is no way that Labour can win a General Election without Scotland, where they're basically dead in the water. Personally I would favour a more Corbynite Labour party (but not lead by Corbyn), but Starmer's more Blairite version is probably more electable. In any case, Labour could only rule in coalition, and our best chance of getting the Tories out is for the opposition parties to work together.
In the meantime de Pfeffel has done all the damage that he's going to do and a change of leadership will only put one of the Britannia Unchained swivelheads in power, so let him continue to poison the Tory brand. |
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'Like so many of you
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