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    Posted: December 06 2021 at 11:53

I tend to love these movies. I just used the term “Outcast” as am umbrella. It could be a 35-yr old woman who’s a virgin (Rachel, Rachel) or a woman who might be shy, overweight (Sugarbaby)… Especially movies where there might be characters, but they’re in the background while we see her in public, but also in private, when she’s all alone. She might be crying, over-eating, watching TV, masturbating, being home all day in sadness, talking to herself or in silence, but they usually get the audience to emphasize with her, although that isn’t the important thing. It is nice to “fall in love” with a woman on screen, because you can sorta be in the movie, vicariously, maybe placing yourself in a role, where your imagination can roam free with hers.

Anyway, I recommend those movies:
-Rachel, Rachel (1967)

-Sugarbaby (1985) - which is on Prime, but also on YouTube


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Hi,


Took the post down ... not on point! There are too many films where the woman "suffered" and while not alone, in many cases it was a very lonely journey. 

Sorry for the posting.



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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by MortSahlFan MortSahlFan wrote:

I tend to love these movies. I just used the term “Outcast” as am umbrella. 

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Hi,


This is hard for me, but here is a small sampling, and I'm not sure these quite fit your idea ... 


Orlando - The famous novel. Not exactly "outcast" but never in tune with the rest.

An Angel At My Table - About the writer

Bandit Queen - Woman that was incarcerated and raped in India and got her revenge

Carmen - Probably the best known of these stories, though I use this film instead for its dancing. It is a sort of old dance against the new dance styles. (Carlos Saura has an incredible number of dance films)

Becoming Colette - About the writer

Mathilde - About the Swedish Queen that gave it all up.

Raise The Red Lantern - One of the wives is totally frustrated and tries to fight back.

Impromptu - About the writer George Sand mostly, although its amazing list of "famous" names in the arts in the film gives you a headache of sorts ... a fun one!

I was thinking that any films about Joan of Arc would fit here easy but I have never really seen one that I liked and cared for. Too many of them are in love with the romantic idea at a time that there was nothing romantic about it! If it were done by the folks that did The Game of Thrones, it would be way better.

Hope this is on par with your idea, otherwise I'll take it down.



Let me clarify. Movies where the women are physically alone - being the only one on the screen for a good amount of time. Time to reflect, time to ponder, etc… Getting to know a character when she is alone, because she’s herself - not putting an act at work, for example, because she’s not being watched.
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I reccomen Netflix movie I Am Mother slightly fits this premiss, there is another Netflix dystopian sci-fi - i dont remember title, but mostly solitary females in movies with very litle cast, so minimalisme is really shown. I feel Jane Eyre is the prototype for this archetypical character
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Monster (2003) - The Story of Aileen Wuornos, starring Charlize Theron. Unhappy

Thelma & Louise (1991) starring Geena Davis & Susan Sarandon. Clap

Carrie (1976) starring Sissy Spacek. Dead


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Originally posted by MortSahlFan MortSahlFan wrote:

Let me clarify. Movies where the women are physically alone - being the only one on the screen for a good amount of time. Time to reflect, time to ponder, etc… Getting to know a character when she is alone, because she’s herself - not putting an act at work, for example, because she’s not being watched.

This should be up your street:

The Wall: Julian Polsler (Austria) all you get is a woman and a dog all the way through the film... and it's still fascinating

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wall-DVD-Martina-Gedeck/dp/B00DRGDKK6/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=julian+polsler&qid=1638907925&s=dvd&sr=1-1
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There are many other World Cinema films where one woman dominates the screen for long periods of time; here are just 5 that would fit your description which I think you'll find interesting, but do start with 'The Wall' above and see what you think... I could easily give you another 10 afterwards if you like:

Stations Of The Cross: Dietrich Bruggeman (Ger) 
At Five In The Afternoon: Samira Makhmalbaf (Iran)
The Chambermaid: Lila Aviles (Mexico)
The Portuguese Nun: Eugene Green (USA)
The Headless Woman: Lucretia Martel (Argentina) 
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Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

There are many other World Cinema films where one woman dominates the screen for long periods of time; here are just 5 that would fit your description which I think you'll find interesting, but do start with 'The Wall' above and see what you think... I could easily give you another 10 afterwards if you like:

Stations Of The Cross: Dietrich Bruggeman (Ger) 
At Five In The Afternoon: Samira Makhmalbaf (Iran)
The Chambermaid: Lila Aviles (Mexico)
The Portuguese Nun: Eugene Green (USA)
The Headless Woman: Lucretia Martel (Argentina) 


I'll try to search for them today. Thank you!
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From Zhang Yimou (Raise the Red Lantern) you could also think of two earlier films: Red Sorghum and Ju Dou.

Sans toit ni loi, by Agnès Varda (titled "Vagabond" in English), with Sandrine Bonnaire as the main character
Sweetie by Jane Campion, or The Piano; not sure though if "falling in love" with the character would be an appropriate description to identify oneself with that character...

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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

From Zhang Yimou (Raise the Red Lantern) you could also think of two earlier films: Red Sorghum and Ju Dou.

Sans toit ni loi, by Agnès Varda (titled "Vagabond" in English), with Sandrine Bonnaire as the main character
Sweetie by Jane Campion, or The Piano; not sure though if "falling in love" with the character would be an appropriate description to identify oneself with that character...


Hi,

Jane Campion was on my list and so was Zhang Yimou. But, it was not exactly what was wanted, so I dumped it even though it still shows in a reply. I was going to add Varda's film, and I had one from Italy as well. One could also easily add one from Bergman.

But, for me, the idea was way too limiting, and I have over 500 film reviews written and posted, almost all of it foreign films. I also had a thought, though I can never verify it, that the list of foreign things here was not going very far, and it didn't.  Sorry if I felt apart and not on par with some of the stuff here. I was thinking that Allison Enders also fits.

In the end, it becomes about how much you have seen ... and I guess my listing wasn't going very far with Mort or anyone else, although I now see a few more international films listed!


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^ Well, for me your suggestions were quite pertinent, at least to me (and your references to Zhang Yimou and Jane Campion made me think of these other films of the same directors). Varda's film probably fits the bill better.

I also thought of Sokurov's Madame Bovary, but again I guess you wouldn't "fall in love" with the character (she's rather ugly...).

Another "outcast woman" film is definitely In Vanda's Room by Pedro Costa.

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Sort of going against the grain, there have been a few successful films regarding The Hunchback of Notre Dame (the Lon Chaney and Charles Laughton versions are superb); however, none of them actually follow the novel Notre Dame de Paris by Victor Hugo adequately. In the book, Esmerelda is the protagonist and was, by very definition, a single outcast woman who suffers untold injustices and is eventually wrongfully executed.
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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

From Zhang Yimou (Raise the Red Lantern) you could also think of two earlier films: Red Sorghum and Ju Dou.

Sans toit ni loi, by Agnès Varda (titled "Vagabond" in English), with Sandrine Bonnaire as the main character
Sweetie by Jane Campion, or The Piano; not sure though if "falling in love" with the character would be an appropriate description to identify oneself with that character...



I liked "Vagabond", and I really like "Sweetie" - very unique movie, which is what I'm looking for. I noticed I just rated my 2,400th movie yesterday, and looking for "different".

I actually just saw a great movie (from a reply on another site).. Have you seen "Beast" (2014)?
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"BLIND"

8.5/10
Best movie I've seen in almost 2 years! I think I'm going to watch it again, because if you've seen it, you'll know what I'm talking about. Fantasy and reality is blurred, but I find it interesting that the author imagines what she does. Unfortunately, most fantasy is silly, or so overboard it's probably best to just imagine things yourself.

This is one of the most unique movies I've ever seen! I might watch it again today or tomorrow!
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Hi,

On a different tone ... a bit of a different film.

A WOMAN'S TALE ... and the performance by Sheila Florance is incredible, though she was having problems with her own cancer. Some said that it was a self-portrait of sorts, but Sheila never complained and continued and finished the film, only to pass away just before its release. She is "alone" and her memories are what carries the film so well. Directed by Paul Cox and came out in 1981 I think it was. But Sheila's performance is iconic and so strong that it is hard not to have tears at the end, and knowing the rest of the story (which I didn't at the time), makes it even stronger. It takes courage for a woman at her age to do what she did ... and be an actress all the way through! 
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A Girl in Black (1956)

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Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore (1974)  Steller Ellen Burstyn. 
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Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore (1974)  Steller Ellen Burstyn. 


Speaking of 1974, "A Woman Under The Influence".... I think Gena Rowlands' performance is the best I have ever seen. One of my Top 10 movies, too.
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