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Hi,

“There is no reality except the one contained within us. That is why so many people live such an unreal life. They take the images outside of them for reality and never allow the world within to assert itself.”

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“Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth." - Marcus Aurelius)" 
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

“faith is the state of being ultimately concerned.”  Paul Tillich


"We may define "faith" as a firm belief in something for which there is no evidence. Where there is evidence, no one speaks of “faith.” We do not speak of faith that two and two are four or that the earth is round. We only speak of faith when we wish to substitute emotion for evidence. The substitution of emotion for evidence is apt to lead to strife, since different groups substitute different emotions. Christians have faith in the Resurrection, communists have faith in Marx’s Theory of Value. Neither faith can be defended rationally, and each therefore is defended by propaganda and, if necessary, by war. The two are equal in this respect. If you think it immensely important that people should believe something which cannot be rationally defended, it makes no difference what the something is. Where you control the government, you teach the something to the immature minds of children and you burn or prohibit books which teach the contrary. Where you do not control the government, you will, if you are strong enough, build up armed forces with a view to conquest. All this is an inevitable consequence of any strongly held faith unless, like the Quakers, you are content to remain forever a tiny minority" (Bertrand Russell, Human Society in Ethics and Politics, 1954).
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“I have a foreboding of an America in my children’s or grandchildren’s time — when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and whats true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness. The dumbing down of America is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30-second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), the lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance." Carl Sagan 1995
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“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”

― Issac Asimov
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This has gotta be true in the past. But today it seems like some newspapers exist that are not biased. I don't read newspapers much, but some people that I trust say that there are such newspapers. Though I would be surprised if more than 1k people buy them in my country. A friend of mine was reading one and I first heard that there's such a newspaper in my country from that person.

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Hi,

"Everything I have ever told you is a lie. Including that!"

George Spigot

(continuing ... what am I suppose to believe in? ... certainly not me, Stanley, I'm the devil!)
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I fundamentally agree, but we can/do use some words/phrases that the world use to "define" us for practical purposes. Sometimes explaining our "unique" aspects is exhausting, annoying, pointless etc. It even can result in conflicts.
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Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:

kjsdhfksjhdf

This has gotta be true in the past. But today it seems like some newspapers exist that are not biased. I don't read newspapers much, but some people that I trust say that there are such newspapers. 
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Hi,

This is (probably) more of an American thing than otherwise ... and I think that Mr. T would agree with the honorable Mr. T of the old days and quotes.

In my old days, of the fascist government in Portugal, the newspaper was not about "information" ... because it didn't have any! You read the "underground" stuff to find out what was going on, but these days in America the commercialization has destroyed the ability of the "underground" to publish anything, thus we only know the skin, or some Cliff Notes version of the real thing. This is, btw, what the whole thing is about these days (here in the USA) when everyone thinks that "the truth" is an opinion, not a reality that the Supreme Court even can not define or believe!


Edited by moshkito - December 06 2021 at 10:18
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One of the original prog poets, William Blake:

To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And a Heaven in a Wild Flower 
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand 
And Eternity in an hour

Auguries of Innocence
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A few words from Percy Bysshe Shelley:

Ozymandias
I met a traveller from an antique land,
Who said—“Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. . . . Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;
And on the pedestal, these words appear:
My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.”
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"I, for example, am characterised by preferring to remember bad deeds, and so I could almost say that 'every past time was worse', were it not for the fact that the present seems to me as horrible as the past. I remember so many calamities, so many cynical and cruel faces, so many evil deeds, that memory is to me like the fearful light that illuminates a sordid museum of shame".

Ernesto Sábato.
-Will I see you tonight?
-I never make plans that far ahead.

Casablanca (1942)
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"It was the best of times, it was the worst of times."

From Tale of Two Cities by Charles Dickens.

Possibly the best openening line to a novel ever, although "Call me Ishmeal" must be up there.


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Here's another English writer:

“But I don’t want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.
"Oh, you can’t help that," said the Cat: "we’re all mad here. I’m mad. You’re mad."
"How do you know I’m mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn’t have come here.”

― Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland
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Well, this may fit to the "etc." part of the title. Merry Christmas to all!

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More Victorian stuff:

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Carl Jung said that people don't have ideas: ideas have people. particularly ideologies
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Churchill's admonition:

Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never, never--in nothing, great or small, large or petty--never give in, except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force. Never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.
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