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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

NWOBHM is not a metal genre, it's exactly what it says in its name, a wave of heavy metal bands , a lot of them influenced by what came before - Purple, Heep, Priest, Budgie, Sabbath and add the likes of punk, Motorhead. 

I won't call it "genre", either, but it has been used as a label, and yes, it has some specific, stylistic characteristics.
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Not taking early heavy rock or heavy prog bands into consideration (Black Sabbath counts though). Because although I acknowledge they are an essential part of metal history, I don’t think of them as metal. Something like this perhaps:

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Аспид [Aspid] - Кровоизлияние
Slayer - South of Heaven
Carcass - Necroticism: Descanting the Insalubrious
Bolt Thrower - Those Once Loyal
Black Sabbath - Master of Reality
Mercyful Fate - Don't Break the Oath
Vektor - Black Future
Atvm - Famine, Putrid and f**king Endless
Death - Leprosy
Metallica - Master of Puppets
Blood Incantation - Hidden History of the Human Race
Manowar - Hail to England
Sepultura - Beneath the Remains
Morbid Angel - Covenant

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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

NWOBHM is not a metal genre, it's exactly what it says in its name, a wave of heavy metal bands , a lot of them influenced by what came before - Purple, Heep, Priest, Budgie, Sabbath and add the likes of punk, Motorhead. 

If hard rock and heavy metal walked hand in hand in the past, with the NWOBHM, heavy metal went ahead and left hard rock behind. Big smile

I think, NWOBHM can be said to be a transition phase between "the early Metal" and "the proper Metal".
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Not taking early heavy rock or heavy prog bands into consideration (Black Sabbath counts though). Because although I acknowledge they are an essential part of metal history, I don’t think of them as metal. 

About that, I can tell that Ozzy Osbourne has once said in an interview that Paranoid was ment as a Prog album, and even that interview was done many years after 70's, I think that is very probable.


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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

NWOBHM is not a metal genre, it's exactly what it says in its name, a wave of heavy metal bands , a lot of them influenced by what came before - Purple, Heep, Priest, Budgie, Sabbath and add the likes of punk, Motorhead. 

If hard rock and heavy metal walked hand in hand in the past, with the NWOBHM, heavy metal went ahead and left hard rock behind. Big smile

I think, NWOBHM can be said to be a transition phase between "the early Metal" and "the proper Metal".

There is no such thing as "proper metal". It's still heavy metal. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

NWOBHM is not a metal genre, it's exactly what it says in its name, a wave of heavy metal bands , a lot of them influenced by what came before - Purple, Heep, Priest, Budgie, Sabbath and add the likes of punk, Motorhead. 

If hard rock and heavy metal walked hand in hand in the past, with the NWOBHM, heavy metal went ahead and left hard rock behind. Big smile

I think, NWOBHM can be said to be a transition phase between "the early Metal" and "the proper Metal".

There is no such thing as "proper metal". It's still heavy metal. 

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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

There is no such thing as "proper metal". It's still heavy metal. 

Can you explain further what you mean?
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

There is no such thing as "proper metal". It's still heavy metal. 

Can you explain further what you mean?

What do you mean by "proper metal", I've never seen it before. 

Early metal was still heavy metal, a first wave of bands if it's easy to point out. NWOBHM was a continuation of that, with new influences, artists trying to come up with something new and it worked. 
It inspired and influenced new genres, such as speed metal, thrash, US Power and in the case of Venom even early black metal or what metalheads call the first wave of black metal (not an expert in that, but I've tried a few bands, read and watched a few things at least to understand what was going on). 
 


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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Not taking early heavy rock or heavy prog bands into consideration (Black Sabbath counts though). Because although I acknowledge they are an essential part of metal history, I don’t think of them as metal. 

About that, I can tell that Ozzy Osbourne has once said in an interview that Paranoid was ment as a Prog album, and even that interview was done many years after 70's, I think that is very probable.
Interesting that it was Paranoid and not Sabbath Bloody Sabbath or Sabotage.

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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

There is no such thing as "proper metal". It's still heavy metal. 

Can you explain further what you mean?

What do you mean by "proper metal", I've never seen it before. 

Early metal was still heavy metal, a first wave of bands if it's easy to point out. NWOBHM was a continuation of that, with new influences, artists trying to come up with something new and it worked. 
It inspired and influenced new genres, such as speed metal, thrash, US Power and in the case of Venom even early black metal or what metalheads call the first wave of black metal (not an expert in that, but I've tried a few bands, read and watched a few things at least to understand what was going on). 

Okay, I agree that "proper Metal" is a subjective characteristic of the qualitative changes that happend in Metal beginning with the 80's. Further more, witch is not good, it's condescending towards earlier Metal. So, if I want a term to describe those qualitative changes in the 80's, it's better not to be condescending. And I agree, it's just a genre which is changing all the time.
Thank you for your correction.
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

There is no such thing as "proper metal". It's still heavy metal. 

Can you explain further what you mean?

What do you mean by "proper metal", I've never seen it before. 

Early metal was still heavy metal, a first wave of bands if it's easy to point out. NWOBHM was a continuation of that, with new influences, artists trying to come up with something new and it worked. 
It inspired and influenced new genres, such as speed metal, thrash, US Power and in the case of Venom even early black metal or what metalheads call the first wave of black metal (not an expert in that, but I've tried a few bands, read and watched a few things at least to understand what was going on). 

Okay, I agree that "proper Metal" is a subjective characteristic of the qualitative changes that happend in Metal beginning with the 80's. Further more, witch is not good, it's condescending towards earlier Metal. So, if I want a term to describe those qualitative changes in the 80's, it's better not to be condescending. And I agree, it's just a genre which is changing all the time.
Thank you for your correction.

Don't take it a s a correction, I did not. Smile I was just answering your question. 
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

 Interesting that it was Paranoid and not Sabbath Bloody Sabbath or Sabotage.

Yes, as Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Sabotage are maybe by not so few today considered as even the begining of Prog Metal - but the interview was about Paranoid, and I think that in 1973 BS had an image as a Metal band.
About Paranoid, well, the year was 1970, and the Prog genre was just began to form so, what was and what not was Prog, was absolutely not clear. So, in fact, in my opinion, Paranoid viewing from historical  perspective maybe surely can be considered as Prog.


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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Don't take it a s a correction, I did not. Smile I was just answering your question. 

Well, I do consider it as a correction, and I'm glad of it. Smile
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

 Interesting that it was Paranoid and not Sabbath Bloody Sabbath or Sabotage.

Yes, as Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Sabotage are maybe by not so few today considered as even the begining of Prog Metal - but the interview was about Paranoid, and I think that in 1973 BS had an image as a Metal band.
About Paranoid, well, the year was 1970, and the Prog genre was just began to form so, what was and what not was Prog, was absolutely not clear. So, in fact, in my opinion, Paranoid viewing from historical  perspective maybe surely can be considered as Prog.
Ok, I wasn't aware of the specific context. Paranoid was certainly a progressive rock album of sorts in 1970, yes. And so was their debut album, really.
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If we're sticking to one per band.  INPO.  OTTOMH.  And I haven't got time to find the years...

Ayreon - The Human Equation
Devin Townsend - Empath
Nightwish - Endless Forms Most Beautiful
Suicidal Tendencies - Lights, Camera, Revolution
Metallica - ...And Justice For All
Eluveitie - Ategnatos
Cellar Darling - The Spell
Avantasia - Moonglow
Dream Theater - Images And Words
AC/DC - Highway To Hell
Warrior Soul - Last Decade Dead Century
Ghost - Prequelle
Blue Oyster Cult - Imaginos
Helloween - Keeper Of The Seven Keys Part 2
King's X - Gretchen Goes To Nebraska
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Led Zeppelin  - II 

Black Sabbath - Paranoid 

Deep Purple  - Deep Purple In Rock 

Judas Priest - Sad Wings Of Destiny 

Iron Maiden  - Iron Maiden

Alice Cooper - Killer

Atomic Rooster - In Hearing Of

Uriah Heep - Look At Yourself

Aerosmith - Get Your Wings
King Crimson - Red
Robin Trower - Bridge of Sighs
Rainbow - Rising
Motorhead - Ace Of Spade
AC/DC - Let There Be Rock
Tool - Lateralus
MC5 - Kick Out The Jams
Anvil - Hard & Heavy

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Anybody else would like to tell about their favourite Metal?
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Originally posted by essexboyinwales essexboyinwales wrote:

If we're sticking to one per band.  INPO.  OTTOMH.  And I haven't got time to find the years...

Ayreon - The Human Equation
Dream Theater - Images And Words
Blue Oyster Cult - Imaginos

We have a match on three favourite Metal albums. Thumbs Up
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Not a huge metal fan so picking 15 won't be doable. However I can pick a few but some of these probably aren't considered metal. Whatever.

Queensryche - Operation Mindcrime
Iron Maiden - The Number of the Beast
Iron Maiden - Powerslave
Alice In Chains - Dirt
Rush - Caress of Steel
Kings X - Dogman (listen to it. it's effin' metal)
Porcupine Tree - Deadwing
Captain Beyond - Captain Beyond

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