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Always thought of them as opposites, punk being stereo-typically simple, compared the seemingly vast complexity of prog, but after all, what do I know? Sleepy
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Not to offend any of you, guys, but "Pronk" seems to my ears and eyes like a kind of junk, not worth Prog. 
Not worth Punk, either.
"Progressive Punk" or shortly, "Prog Punk", that's the words.
Unless, we're talking about that is more Prog than Punk.
Then, it must be "Punk Prog".

After second thought, it seems to me that the best starting point for a new subgenre is "Punk Prog meets Prog Punk". 
I still find neither "Pronk" nor "Post-Progressive" enough good names for it, and I think we should invent a new one.
It's just about being creative enough.
What do you think, guys?


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Originally posted by Progressive Enjoyer Progressive Enjoyer wrote:

Always thought of them as opposites, punk being stereo-typically simple, compared the seemingly vast complexity of prog, but after all, what do I know? Sleepy

times are a changin'


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Originally posted by Progressive Enjoyer Progressive Enjoyer wrote:

Always thought of them as opposites, punk being stereo-typically simple, compared the seemingly vast complexity of prog, but after all, what do I know? Sleepy
 
I think that the punk and prog aspects of the music of Cardiacs is somewhat heterogenous. However, there is also what I think of as "carnival music" which could be what a homogeneous combination of punk and prog sounds like.
 
But I think that if homogeneity is not a requirement, any two or more genres of music can be combined. It is only homogeneity that prevents mutually exclusive genres from being combined.
 

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I mean, what's next, prog country? Don't tell me that's a thing now. Pinch
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Originally posted by Progressive Enjoyer Progressive Enjoyer wrote:

I mean, what's next, prog country? Don't tell me that's a thing now. Pinch


It is a term used but not in the way you would expect.


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Bluegrass is a form of country and can be prog. 
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

I have the impression that there might be some good basis for a serious consideration of establishing a new "sub-genre" on PA which might be called "Progressive Punk".
What do you guys think?




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By the way, if anybody could be interested in the origins of the American Punk scene, I can very much recommend the book  From the Velvets to the Voidoids. A Pre-Punk History for the Post-Punk World  by Clinton Heylin, with, among many others, portraits of the Velvet Underground, The Stooges, Patti Smith, Television, The Ramones, Talking Heads and Pere Ubu.

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More labels, more offshoots ? At this rate, soon Prog will take over Socialism with the most sub-genres ever. EmbarrassedWinkLOL
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right???....

don't we already have enough prog type genres?

we just love to label and classify the hell out of things here don't we?
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Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

More labels, more offshoots ? At this rate, soon Prog will take over Socialism with the most sub-genres ever. EmbarrassedWinkLOL


Prog isn't nearly as adaptable as metal. At this point metal has probably hybridized with more genres than prog and metal is still growing at exponential rates WITH prog thus making prog metal the current champion of both prog AND metal. Unfortunately socialism always fails with dictatorships so it seems that prog and metal will outlast any political system! Big smile

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Originally posted by rushaholic rushaholic wrote:

right???....

don't we already have enough prog type genres?

we just love to label and classify the hell out of things here don't we?

John Collinge of the now defunct Progression magazine once said "Prog is prog , you will know it when you hear it" ...Labelling and slicing/dicing the bane of the 21st centuryOuch 
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Originally posted by rushaholic rushaholic wrote:

we just love to label and classify the hell out of things here don't we?

Well, there are certainly some pluses connected with doing it, both for the musicians and fans/aficionados. And people have different approach to the music they listen to, for some is it very giving to analyze it, for others not.


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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

 Unfortunately socialism always fails with dictatorships...

Hitherto unfortunately yes, but it's a great vision, as I see it Smile - and I'd say, we surely need visions the way things are nowadays.


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Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

John Collinge of the now defunct Progression magazine once said "Prog is prog , you will know it when you hear it"  

Sorry, tszirmay, but that doesn't seem to have much depth, as it's very very subjective, and what if somebody just don't know what Prog is considered to be?


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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

John Collinge of the now defunct Progression magazine once said "Prog is prog , you will know it when you hear it"  

Sorry, tszirmay, but that doesn't seem to have much depth, as it's very very subjective, and what if somebody just don't know Prog is considered to be?
Sorry, David D but your reply is OBVIOUS in general terms , I was specifically targeting the need (or impulse) to pigeon-hole EVERYTHING, and stick an often dubious label on it. A zebra is not a white horse with black stripes one day and a black horse with white stripes the next , ITS a zebra LOL


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Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

I was specifically targeting the need (or impulse) to pigeon-hole EVERYTHING, and stick an often dubious label on it. A zebra is not a white horse with black stripes one day and a black horse with white stripes the next , ITS a zebra 

So, do you mean that in some cases it's best without trying any description whatever there might be a need for it?
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^ he means some people exaggerate classifying and categorizing.
Which reminds me of this funny old meme LOL


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Thank you, Cristi, I think that I got the point now - even it's still difficult for me to consider the practical meaning of it. Smile

- But I guess that I only can say again: People have different needs, it's as simple as that, and as long as we don't bother each other, it should be okay.


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