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siLLy puPPy
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Even rate your music which is quite generous in assigning generes doesn’t have pronk
As for now pronk sits comfortably with early punk in existing in the underground |
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Awesoreno
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I agree "post-progressive" is the better term, because it's a little bit wider. If it were added (it won't be), I think it wouldn't bring in much influx of new groups, but rather, would be a place for certain bands mostly found in Crossover, Eclectic, and RIO/Avant to be reassigned to. It would also probably flourish a bit more if we added genres by album (another pipe dream, I know), since, for example, KC's 80s albums definitely fit the post-progressive description.
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Here I must say, I've heard mentioning some albums and bands which could get me a bit worried for the future of the "Progressive Rock" meta-genre.
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David_D
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That counts not so little, as well.
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David_D
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"Post-Progressive" makes me surely tremble because it sounds like the end of Progressive. So, already tactically speaking, it wouldn't be good in my opinion. Then, it looks like kind of a mess to me to bring a mix of all those different "subgenres". - Even I can see that this label is meant very broad, but that's a problem as well in my opinion because it doesn't say anything specific - except from "the end of Progressive". As far it concerns the idea of adding genres by album, like RYM does, I find it in it self really good. That's also the reason why I usually use RYM and not PA when I want some orientation about the classification of a band, and specially albums - even I often check both sites to get more opinions.
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richardh
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If it just got The Stranglers in then I'd be up for it. Green Day maybe as well?
I'm sure there used to be something called 'Indie Prog' on this site but then disappeared. Mansun were categorised as such but are now apparently Crossover prog along with Big Big Train. Obviously very similar bands!!
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There are several artists which do have both genres in their description. You can go to charts and select artists which have both genres and there is a pretty big list. https://rateyourmusic.com/charts/top/album/all-time/g:all,progressive-rock,punk/exc:live,archival/
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Multiple tagging does take care of such needs. Personally i wouldn't be opposed to many new subs being added no matter how small. I do like the tag brutal prog and much of pronk could fit in that description for sure. However much of the pronk does fit comfortably within RIO or math rock here with the occasional eclectic. NoMeansNo, Minutemen and other proggier than average punk aren't here at all.
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siLLy puPPy here a few more to add to your RYM list of Pronk bands: The Cure Japan (I know they are here on PA for Prog-related but they are definitely your Pronk genre) Skids ('80-'81) Simple Minds (only early 80s) The Armoury Show Gorky's Zygotic Mynci |
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I doubt that a proper punk fan would find many of the bands nominated here punk. The post punk label has "post" for a reason.
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So true. I think that only those of us who love both prog and punk will truly appreciate it. Cardiacs on the other hand seems to get respect from all across the board since they were the masters of pronk. |
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That gets my vote! Some of the early solo artists drank deeply of the energy of punk. Bob Fripp's "Exposure" comes to mind right away, and Peter Gabriel's first solo tours had a punk-rock feel with him pogo-dancing etc. Can't forget Eno's contributions as well! He may have actually invented "pronk" with songs like "Baby's On Fire."
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Look up the definition first. The one I found on Wikipedia makes sense to me. It's not the "end" of progressive, but surely jumping off from it's ideas. Post-Punk did come after the birth of the punk movement, but there are still straight-ahead punk bands making punk music to this day. It's not over.
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love The Stranglers, very original sound, Rattus Norvegicus, No More Heroes, Black & White and The Raven are amazing albums
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Appreciate suggestions but how in the world would you ever consider The Cure or Simple Minds as prog? Experimental? Yes. Prog? No I own every Cure album and many of the early Simple Minds as well as a few Japan albums. Sorry but prog related is not what my list is about. Gorky's Zygotic Mind is not prog either. It's indie pop / folk / neo-psychedlelia The Armoury Show as far as i know is simply new wave / post-punk Same for Skids Someone even mentioned Green Day here. Really? LOL Y'all need to go back and read the definition of progressive rock!
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Agree on that. Edit: Or maybe it's not that simple with all the albums of Simple Minds, as far it concerns "Experimental ", but anyway, at the present state of "Prog", it's not Prog.
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Not to offend any of you, guys, but "Pronk" seems to my ears and eyes like a kind of junk, not worth Prog.
Not worth Punk, either. "Progressive Punk" or shortly, "Prog Punk", that's the words. Unless, we're talking about that is more Prog than Punk. Then, it must be "Punk Prog". Edited by David_D - November 06 2021 at 23:57 |
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any comments to that?
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I'd say prog punk personally, and I'm actually all for it. Yeah, I know the line is that 70s prog died because of punk, but there were a lot more factors that led to its demise back then. And considering we have stuff like art punk and mathcore now, I do support a prog-punk category for bands like At the Drive-in, Off Minor, and Cardiacs
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