"Progressive Punk", a new sub-genre on PA? - Progressive Rock Music Forum

I agree "post-progressive" is the better term, because it's a little bit wider. If it were added (it won't be), I think it wouldn't bring in much influx of new groups, but rather, would be a place for certain bands mostly found in Crossover, Eclectic, and RIO/Avant to be reassigned to. It would also probably flourish a bit more if we added genres by album (another pipe dream, I know), since, for example, KC's 80s albums definitely fit the post-progressive description.

Man With Hat wrote:

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David_D wrote:

siLLy puPPy wrote:

I doubt there are enough artists to warrant a new subgenre

I compiled a comprehensive list of pronk artists on rate your music and I could only find less than 100 some of which aren’t proggy enough to be on PA

Maybe this new genre might include many other artists than Pronk. Some of them has been mentioned in the Prog Punk thread, and usually classified as Avant-Prog, Art Punk or Post-Punk.

If Prog Punk were added, it would definitely include more than just pronk. I doubt it would ever be added, though. It doesn’t really fit the remit of this site. The inclusion of jazz fusion is controversial enough for many, without adding punk to the mix. As per the discussion in the US vs UK prog thread, PA is very much based upon a European idea of what is (or is not) prog, and much of the progressive movement in the US is simply not recognised as prog here. To me, it doesn’t really make any difference. There are no right or wrong answers when it comes to what is (or is not) prog, because everyone has different ideas. I just accept PA for what it is, and know that I have a different idea of what prog is to PA. It would be kind of cool if PA added prog punk, but I totally understand the reasons why it is unlikely.

The thing is, as much as PA would like to be a repository for all prog, it would simply be unwieldy to attempt. There is plenty of prog hip hop out there, but I would never expect that to be added here. Prog in PA tends to be from the pop and rock worlds - and that’s one of the reasons the inclusion of jazz fusion is contentious. Punk is at least from the pop and rock worlds, so would have a better chance than prog hip hop of making it into PA, but only the proggiest pronk makes the grade, and most of them will already exist somewhere in PA.

Let’s face it, a lot of the prog related bands and artists are considered prog outside PA, but because of the definitions here, can “only” be included as prog related. And I’ve seen numerous bands and artists that are considered prog outside PA have their submissions declined because they are not prog “enough”. The present definitions of prog for inclusion in PA would preclude most punk bands that could be considered prog, I would think.

To be honest, that’s why I like the forum, I find the PA site quite limited compared to the interests of the regular contributors here - many of whom have a far broader personal definition of what is prog than PA does. And before anyone queries it, yes when I am listening to submissions for prog metal, it is the PA definitions I go by, and not my own! 😜

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Okay, sorry, Cristi, I'm not used to the PA humor and using of the emoticons.

Edited by David_D - November 04 2021 at 13:54

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Cristi wrote:

but if punk becomes proggy, is it punk anymore? Evil Smile

what about Metal? and isn't Crossover Prog proggy Rock?

The same could be said about Jazz-Rock, Psychedelic Rock and so on.

Edited by David_D - November 04 2021 at 13:51

quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond

Pronk?

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I doubt there are enough artists to warrant a new subgenre

I compiled a comprehensive list of pronk artists on rate your music and I could only find less than 100 some of which aren’t proggy enough to be on PA

https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy

Some material good for consideration is available here (siLLy puPPy)

https://rateyourmusic.com/list/siLLy_puPPy/prog-punk-pronk/

quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond

David_D wrote:

I have the impression that there's some good basis for a serious consideration of establishing a new subgenre on PA which might be called "Progressive Punk".

What do you guys think?

I don't think so.

It's fun to think of bands that make this connection, they do exist, no problem with that, but sometimes the relation of these to either punk or prog is rather far-fetched, and they are neatly classified elsewhere. Also, apart from being associated with prog punk, they don't seem to have that much in common. Surely I wouldn't see this as a (sub-)genre.

David_D wrote:

I have the impression that there's some good basis for a serious consideration of establishing a new subgenre on PA which might be called "Progressive Punk".

What do you guys think?

I think that pre (your post) is where we're at with classifications on PA. Are there music genres that are regressive?