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    Posted: November 03 2021 at 09:59
Does it exist. It sounds like an oxi moron so I doubt it but if it does let me know.
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 I always though System of a Down was kind of like punk prog in some ways. I'm sure many here would disagree.
  
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This subject has been covered many times before, one band that always comes up is No Means No.
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Maybe Cardiacs?
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Search for Pronk.

Cardiacs
This Heat
The Mars Volta
Some Peter Hammill....
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Of course it exists. Cardiacs are the most famous example.

I made this list on Rate Your Music

It's a small but interesting cross-pollination!

https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy
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The bands I seem to hear mentioned the most in regards to this are:

Cardiacs
The Stranglers
Soft Boys
Wire

And possibly Television (I saw them live and they seemed more progressive than punk to me but they are almost always considered punk).




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The League Of Gentlemen starring Robert Fripp managed to create a fusion of prog and post-punk
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Cardiacs
This Heat
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I think so called Art Punk is a good suggestion to investigate further. RYM describes this subgenre in this way: 
"Combination of stripped-down Punk Rock with "arty" elements of Minimalism, instrumental interplay, elements of Traditional Folk Music, experimentation with Jazz or Funk rhythms, dissonance, and noise experimentation." And that's inside the Prog definition I'd recommend (http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=72615&FID=58).
The highest ranked album in this subgenre on RYM is Television's Marqee Moon which seems quite proggy for me as well, and could maybe be classified on PA as Crossover Prog.


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                      quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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But if you're looking for some interesting Punk influenced music, I can surely recommend
Before (DK) - Wish of Life (1982) which is classified as Post-Punk (more experimenting then usual Punk).
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Cardiacs, Wipers, Wire, No Means No, Unwound, This Heat, Camberwell Now, Deep Turtle.

Those are some that may fall under that category, to a different extent. 
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The Velvet Underground?
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NoMeansNo (already mentioned) is probably the best example I can think of.

Also Creedle, a little-known San Diego band from the 90s. 3 fine albums. Definitely worth a listen.
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What would be NoMeansNo's proggiest album?
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Probably one of my favorite attempts at prog by a punk band. ;)
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Originally posted by Argo2112 Argo2112 wrote:

 I always though System of a Down was kind of like punk prog in some ways. I'm sure many here would disagree.
  

Yeah, SOAD had quite a few prog elements despite being mostly known as an alt-metal band, so I can agree there.

I would also say Off Minor and At the Drive-in could be good examples of punk prog. The former combined post-hardcore, jazz, and math rock; the latter was like a really surrealist and artsy version of 90s/00s post-hardcore (it doesn't surprise me that they would eventually split off into The Mars Volta)
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Originally posted by Mirakaze Mirakaze wrote:

What would be NoMeansNo's proggiest album?
i’d say “Small Parts Isolated and Destroyed” has the highest concentration of prog-like song structures. It’s also pretty weird, in a good way - lots of weird chords and sudden stops/starts, and very long songs.

You might also want to try “Wrong”, which combines really complex parts with a much more aggressive and punky sound on more concise songs (it’s a fan favorite too). The nucleus of the band is a pair of brothers on bass & drums, both amazing players (I would call the drummer a virtuoso on the level of Bruford), and the parts they write (and sing over- great lyrics too) can be pretty amazing to hear.

Edited by HolyMoly - November 03 2021 at 18:27
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