Forum Home Forum Home > Progressive Music Lounges > Prog Bands, Artists and Genres Appreciation
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Punk Prog?
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Punk Prog?
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  123>
Author
Message
  Topic Search Topic Search  Topic Options Topic Options
Cboi Sandlin View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: March 25 2021
Location: Texas
Status: Offline
Points: 461 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cboi Sandlin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Punk Prog?
    Posted: November 03 2021 at 09:59
Does it exist. It sounds like an oxi moron so I doubt it but if it does let me know.
Back to Top
Argo2112 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: June 20 2017
Location: New Jersey
Status: Offline
Points: 4462 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Argo2112 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2021 at 10:02
 I always though System of a Down was kind of like punk prog in some ways. I'm sure many here would disagree.
  
Back to Top
Easy Money View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin

Joined: August 11 2007
Location: Memphis
Status: Offline
Points: 10618 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Easy Money Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2021 at 10:09
This subject has been covered many times before, one band that always comes up is No Means No.
Back to Top
yogev View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: February 09 2021
Location: Israel
Status: Offline
Points: 396 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote yogev Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2021 at 10:17
Maybe Cardiacs?
Back to Top
Logan View Drop Down
Forum & Site Admin Group
Forum & Site Admin Group
Avatar
Site Admin

Joined: April 05 2006
Location: Vancouver, BC
Status: Offline
Points: 35948 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2021 at 10:18
Search for Pronk.

Cardiacs
This Heat
The Mars Volta
Some Peter Hammill....
Duos for fave acts
Back to Top
siLLy puPPy View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
PSIKE, JRF/Canterbury, P Metal, Eclectic

Joined: October 05 2013
Location: SFcaUsA
Status: Offline
Points: 15253 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote siLLy puPPy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2021 at 10:51
Of course it exists. Cardiacs are the most famous example.

I made this list on Rate Your Music

It's a small but interesting cross-pollination!

https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy
Back to Top
AFlowerKingCrimson View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: October 02 2016
Location: Philly burbs
Status: Offline
Points: 18301 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2021 at 12:50
The bands I seem to hear mentioned the most in regards to this are:

Cardiacs
The Stranglers
Soft Boys
Wire

And possibly Television (I saw them live and they seemed more progressive than punk to me but they are almost always considered punk).




Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - November 03 2021 at 14:10
Back to Top
BaldJean View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: May 28 2005
Location: Germany
Status: Offline
Points: 10387 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BaldJean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2021 at 12:54
Inner City Unit featuring Nik Turner of Hawkwind







Edited by BaldJean - November 03 2021 at 13:47


A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta
Back to Top
Mirakaze View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Eclectic, JRF/Canterbury, Avant/Zeuhl

Joined: December 17 2019
Location: (redacted)
Status: Offline
Points: 4072 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Mirakaze Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2021 at 13:57
The League Of Gentlemen starring Robert Fripp managed to create a fusion of prog and post-punk
Freelance composer, accepting commissions | Bandcamp page
Back to Top
Nogbad_The_Bad View Drop Down
Forum & Site Admin Group
Forum & Site Admin Group
Avatar
RIO/Avant/Zeuhl & Eclectic Team

Joined: March 16 2007
Location: Boston
Status: Online
Points: 20867 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Nogbad_The_Bad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2021 at 14:04
Cardiacs
This Heat
Uz Jsme Doma
Ian

Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com

https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/
Back to Top
David_D View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: October 26 2010
Location: Copenhagen
Status: Online
Points: 15135 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote David_D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2021 at 14:11
I think so called Art Punk is a good suggestion to investigate further. RYM describes this subgenre in this way: 
"Combination of stripped-down Punk Rock with "arty" elements of Minimalism, instrumental interplay, elements of Traditional Folk Music, experimentation with Jazz or Funk rhythms, dissonance, and noise experimentation." And that's inside the Prog definition I'd recommend (http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=72615&FID=58).
The highest ranked album in this subgenre on RYM is Television's Marqee Moon which seems quite proggy for me as well, and could maybe be classified on PA as Crossover Prog.


Edited by David_D - November 03 2021 at 14:41
                      quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
Back to Top
Cosmiclawnmower View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: August 09 2010
Location: West Country,UK
Status: Offline
Points: 3664 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cosmiclawnmower Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2021 at 14:46
Magazine

Back to Top
David_D View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: October 26 2010
Location: Copenhagen
Status: Online
Points: 15135 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote David_D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2021 at 15:09
But if you're looking for some interesting Punk influenced music, I can surely recommend
Before (DK) - Wish of Life (1982) which is classified as Post-Punk (more experimenting then usual Punk).
                      quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
Back to Top
TheLionOfPrague View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: March 08 2011
Location: Argentina
Status: Offline
Points: 1063 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TheLionOfPrague Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2021 at 15:14
Cardiacs, Wipers, Wire, No Means No, Unwound, This Heat, Camberwell Now, Deep Turtle.

Those are some that may fall under that category, to a different extent. 
I shook my head and smiled a whisper knowing all about the place
Back to Top
The Anders View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: January 02 2019
Location: Denmark
Status: Offline
Points: 3529 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Anders Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2021 at 15:21
The Velvet Underground?
Back to Top
HolyMoly View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Retired Admin

Joined: April 01 2009
Location: Atlanta
Status: Offline
Points: 26138 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote HolyMoly Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2021 at 15:27
NoMeansNo (already mentioned) is probably the best example I can think of.

Also Creedle, a little-known San Diego band from the 90s. 3 fine albums. Definitely worth a listen.
PA Artist Page - Creedle

Edited by HolyMoly - November 03 2021 at 15:28
My other avatar is a Porsche

It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased.

-Kehlog Albran
Back to Top
Mirakaze View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Eclectic, JRF/Canterbury, Avant/Zeuhl

Joined: December 17 2019
Location: (redacted)
Status: Offline
Points: 4072 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mirakaze Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2021 at 15:46
What would be NoMeansNo's proggiest album?
Freelance composer, accepting commissions | Bandcamp page
Back to Top
AFlowerKingCrimson View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: October 02 2016
Location: Philly burbs
Status: Offline
Points: 18301 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2021 at 15:57
Probably one of my favorite attempts at prog by a punk band. ;)
Back to Top
Necrotica View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Colaborator

Joined: July 28 2015
Location: California
Status: Offline
Points: 3365 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Necrotica Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2021 at 16:35
Originally posted by Argo2112 Argo2112 wrote:

 I always though System of a Down was kind of like punk prog in some ways. I'm sure many here would disagree.
  

Yeah, SOAD had quite a few prog elements despite being mostly known as an alt-metal band, so I can agree there.

I would also say Off Minor and At the Drive-in could be good examples of punk prog. The former combined post-hardcore, jazz, and math rock; the latter was like a really surrealist and artsy version of 90s/00s post-hardcore (it doesn't surprise me that they would eventually split off into The Mars Volta)
Take me down, to the underground
Won't you take me down, to the underground
Why oh why, there is no light
And if I can't sleep, can you hold my life

https://www.youtube.com/@CocoonMasterBrendan-wh3sd
Back to Top
HolyMoly View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Retired Admin

Joined: April 01 2009
Location: Atlanta
Status: Offline
Points: 26138 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote HolyMoly Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2021 at 18:26
Originally posted by Mirakaze Mirakaze wrote:

What would be NoMeansNo's proggiest album?
i’d say “Small Parts Isolated and Destroyed” has the highest concentration of prog-like song structures. It’s also pretty weird, in a good way - lots of weird chords and sudden stops/starts, and very long songs.

You might also want to try “Wrong”, which combines really complex parts with a much more aggressive and punky sound on more concise songs (it’s a fan favorite too). The nucleus of the band is a pair of brothers on bass & drums, both amazing players (I would call the drummer a virtuoso on the level of Bruford), and the parts they write (and sing over- great lyrics too) can be pretty amazing to hear.

Edited by HolyMoly - November 03 2021 at 18:27
My other avatar is a Porsche

It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased.

-Kehlog Albran
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  123>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 0.172 seconds.
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.