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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 31 2021 at 15:33
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

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Frontline workers were considered heroes at the beginning of this pandemic.  Now their careers will be ruined and they will be discarded like garbage.

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New York State health care workers will no longer have a religious exemption to the state's Covid-19 vaccine mandate after a federal appeals court vacated a temporary injunction Friday.

Nearly 16,000 health care employees in New York State have been granted religious exemptions by their employers prior to Friday's court ruling, the state's health department confirmed to CNN Friday night.

That's 15,844 employees of hospitals, nursing homes, adult homes, Certified Home Health Agencies (CHHA), Licensed Home Care Service Agencies (LHCSA) and hospice facilities, said Jeffrey Hammond, deputy director of communications for the New York State Department of Health.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/29/us/ny-state-health-care-workers-religious-exemption-ruling/index.html


The irony here is these addled folks are claiming some type of "religious exemption" for a medical procedure....and yet they are working in a medical field where vaccinations are a prime deterrent for contagious diseases. Buh-bye. Get new jobs as snake charmers or televangelists hawking healing bleach. Perhaps join the Amish and make furniture. 

Part 2 of the irony, they seem to ignore the prime directive of their religion - at least alleged Christians - wherein "what you do to the least of my brothers, that you do unto me", or "love thy neighbor as thyself." There's is a selfish take that actually goes against their supposed religious principles. Of course, there is a long history regarding the flexibility of religious principles and the bending and warping of said principles to allow for slavery, persecution and intolerance. Genocide, racism, caste -- one can make religion do just about anything, which makes sense, as religion is a man-made concept.

STFU, get vaccinated, or find a job that suits the 2000 year-old precepts of your mythological floating sky deity. A shepherd. Or a stone mason. Maybe a temple guard or subsistence farmer. Or just go full-blown stone age and be a hunter/gatherer.




Although misplaced, I agree to some of your banter...  The company I work for doesn’t consider scientific logic but they accept the irrationality of religion.   They didn’t want to consent to my antibody test but they gave me an exemption on the absurdity of religion.

Nothing misplaced, except for your inane reply. Your attitude toward your "religious exemption" proves my point. You don't deserve an exemption based on some phony religious excuse, and neither do any of the healthcare workers. There is no "religious" reason to preclude a healthcare worker from a medical mandate for all healthcare workers. Again, if the person is seeking an exemption because their religion forbids it (and I'd love to see the scriptural semantic gymnastics required to pull that out of their god's exalted posterior), they should not be working for a science-based medical institution. They should read Tarot, or draw horoscopes, burn incense or clutch their rosaries rather than rely on medicine.

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I bet most of the health care workers have a more robust immunity towards covid then those that have been vaccinated and weren’t exposed. Why are they being discriminated against?  Never mind logic, where is grade school common sense?

It's a requirement. For all workers. There is no discrimination. Saying, "God commands that I should get a raise" will not work at their annual job review either, even when quoting scripture. Or quoting Spock's "Live long and prosper" for that matter.

And there are scientific studies that show quite clearly you are more likely to spread Covid-19 if you are unvaccinated. You should not be around sick people if you will in all likelihood get them even more ill.



"And there are scientific studies that show quite clearly you are more likely to spread Covid-19 if you are unvaccinated. You should not be around sick people if you will in all likelihood get them even more ill."

We are comparing natural immunity to vaccinated immunity.  Even without any studies, if you have any clue as to how the gene therapy works it should be obvious.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 31 2021 at 15:42
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^ Thats not discrimination, all jobs have requirements and expectations. If you can't meet the jobs expectations, then you are not fit for the job.


All this time I thought you were a smart fella… What is the facade, I mean the purpose, of the proposed vaccines?  Those with natural immunity exceed that purpose and therefore, as you put it, are more fit for the job.  

Recently, a colleague at work that was fully vaccinated contracted covid again.  I worked in very close proximity with her.  We did not abide by the 6 feet rule and masking bs.  I did not get re-infected, and yes I did not comply to the experimental gene therapy mandate.


and how, pray, do you know if someone is naturally immune?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 31 2021 at 15:49
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

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^ Thats not discrimination, all jobs have requirements and expectations. If you can't meet the jobs expectations, then you are not fit for the job.


All this time I thought you were a smart fella… What is the facade, I mean the purpose, of the proposed vaccines?  Those with natural immunity exceed that purpose and therefore, as you put it, are more fit for the job.  

Recently, a colleague at work that was fully vaccinated contracted covid again.  I worked in very close proximity with her.  We did not abide by the 6 feet rule and masking bs.  I did not get re-infected, and yes I did not comply to the experimental gene therapy mandate.


and how, pray, do you know if someone is naturally immune?

Use the same metric as they do for the vaccine efficiency; antibody test.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 31 2021 at 16:00
Originally posted by CosmicVibration CosmicVibration wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by CosmicVibration CosmicVibration wrote:

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^ Thats not discrimination, all jobs have requirements and expectations. If you can't meet the jobs expectations, then you are not fit for the job.


All this time I thought you were a smart fella… What is the facade, I mean the purpose, of the proposed vaccines?  Those with natural immunity exceed that purpose and therefore, as you put it, are more fit for the job.  

Recently, a colleague at work that was fully vaccinated contracted covid again.  I worked in very close proximity with her.  We did not abide by the 6 feet rule and masking bs.  I did not get re-infected, and yes I did not comply to the experimental gene therapy mandate.


and how, pray, do you know if someone is naturally immune?

Use the same metric as they do for the vaccine efficiency; antibody test.


https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/08/28/1031287076/antibody-tests-should-not-be-your-go-to-for-checking-covid-immunity?t=1635717547988


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 31 2021 at 16:30
Originally posted by CosmicVibration CosmicVibration wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

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I bet most of the health care workers have a more robust immunity towards covid then those that have been vaccinated and weren’t exposed.

Evidence? Also, if this is what you go by, would you support making vaccination mandatory for those who don't fall into your "most" category?


There are at least 80 studies, the largest coming out of Israel that includes over 2 million people. 


Israel has 2 million healthcare workers? All in a study? I was asking for evidence for the claim you made of course "most of the health care workers...". I don't think there are 80 studies about this one, I'd be surprised if you could point me to a single one.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 31 2021 at 17:16
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

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^ Thats not discrimination, all jobs have requirements and expectations. If you can't meet the jobs expectations, then you are not fit for the job.


All this time I thought you were a smart fella… What is the facade, I mean the purpose, of the proposed vaccines?  Those with natural immunity exceed that purpose and therefore, as you put it, are more fit for the job.  

Recently, a colleague at work that was fully vaccinated contracted covid again.  I worked in very close proximity with her.  We did not abide by the 6 feet rule and masking bs.  I did not get re-infected, and yes I did not comply to the experimental gene therapy mandate.


and how, pray, do you know if someone is naturally immune?

Use the same metric as they do for the vaccine efficiency; antibody test.




Yes, the immune system is extremely complex and antibodies are just a part of it.   However, if you get your antibody levels checked, you’ll know if came into contact with the virus and build immunity towards it.  You can also compliment that test with a T cell memory test.

Fact of the matter is, natural immunity is far superior then the experimental gene therapy.

What metric did they use to come to the conclusion that the vaccine is waning and boosters are necessary?  I thought it was an antibody test.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 31 2021 at 17:20
Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by CosmicVibration CosmicVibration wrote:

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I bet most of the health care workers have a more robust immunity towards covid then those that have been vaccinated and weren’t exposed.

Evidence? Also, if this is what you go by, would you support making vaccination mandatory for those who don't fall into your "most" category?


There are at least 80 studies, the largest coming out of Israel that includes over 2 million people. 


Israel has 2 million healthcare workers? All in a study? I was asking for evidence for the claim you made of course "most of the health care workers...". I don't think there are 80 studies about this one, I'd be surprised if you could point me to a single one.

Healthcare workers are not people? Does it matter if the individuals in the studies were Healthcare workers, schoolteachers etc.?  My only assumption was that most of them already came into contact with the virus and have immunity.

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What today's elections show is what we've traditionally seen: the true majority of voters state-to-state are moderate, often conservative, and basically want their communities to be well and their kids to be safe.   The Dems need to more deeply grasp this or continue to inexplicably lose to Trump republicans in '24.   It's not so much about politics as it is about schools, crime, jobs and first responders.   Abortion & gun laws may be hot issues but not immediate ones.   It ain't rocket science.

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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

What today's elections show is what we've traditionally seen: the true majority of voters state-to-state are moderate, often conservative, and basically want their communities to be well and their kids to be safe.   The Dems need to more deeply grasp this or continue to inexplicably lose to Trump republicans in '24.   It's not so much about politics as it is about schools, crime, jobs and first responders.   Abortion & gun laws may be hot issues but not immediate ones.   It ain't rocket science.



Would you say voters are exhausted by the spat between progressive and moderate Dems for which there is seemingly no end in sight (with the result that the first year and a half of Biden's presidency is going to be a wash)?

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^ No, I wouldn't.   I don't think it's that complex or political.   If Dems had said "we support parents and cops and firefighters" instead of "we support politicians and vaccines and climate", they might've gotten it right.


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^ No, I wouldn't.   I don't think it's that complex or political.   If Dems had said "we support parents and cops and firefighters" instead of "we support politicians and vaccines and climate", they might've gotten it right.




So that means they could still turn it around in the mid terms if they just got the message right.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 02 2021 at 23:06
Possibly.   And what of old man Joe, certainly lucid but a few steps away from a stroke with an unpopular Harris behind him?   I think moderate Republicans may have a chance to revitalize their party.  


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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

What today's elections show is what we've traditionally seen: the true majority of voters state-to-state are moderate, often conservative, and basically want their communities to be well and their kids to be safe.   The Dems need to more deeply grasp this or continue to inexplicably lose to Trump republicans in '24.   It's not so much about politics as it is about schools, crime, jobs and first responders.   Abortion & gun laws may be hot issues but not immediate ones.   It ain't rocket science.

True, democrats are doing their best to make sure trump will be back, possibly with a repub congress and senate.
Democrats seem to show no understanding of the concerns of working families. It was trump's pathetic response to covid that put the democrats back in power with the backing of suburban moms, but the dems are losing touch with that base now.
Liberals don't know how to fight trump because they let trump define the parameters while the libs go on the defensive. The only people who can stop trump are those conservatives who know he is corrupt. Will they stand up and fight him, we will see.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2021 at 07:19
As I've said for many a moon, Dems are their own worst enemies. That's the main reason for the this turnout.  The infighting between conservatives and progressives is toxic. Passing at least the infrastructure bill would have helped somewhat to show these two divisions could actually work together.

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^ Both Obama and trump could unify their party, but there are too many dems these days with lofty ideals who will not get with the majority dems and Joe and Nancy are losing their ability to rope them in.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2021 at 08:06
The wild card for 2024 is Adam Kinzinger, a conservative repub who does not want trump back in the white house. I believe a big reason he is not running for the house again is because he wants to concentrate on stopping trump in 2024. If Liz Cheney loses her seat because of trump, then there is a good chance you will see what's left of the Bush/Cheney group to go against trump as well. We shall see.

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