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Easy Money
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 11 2007 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 10617 |
Posted: October 25 2021 at 16:01 | |||
^ We had to leave because that was what the commander in chief at the time (trump) set in motion.
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JD
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 07 2009 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 18446 |
Posted: October 25 2021 at 16:26 | |||
Well let's not forget a two decade occupancy. Am I hearing you guys wanting to have the US be the World Police?
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I prophesy disaster
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Posted: October 25 2021 at 16:36 | |||
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No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man.
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JD
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 07 2009 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 18446 |
Posted: October 25 2021 at 16:43 | |||
^You know it's true !
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Atavachron
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Posted: October 25 2021 at 17:46 | |||
I do think Biden has both the benefit and drawback of having been around so long he remembers Vietnam and Korea and El Salvador and all the other misadventures over the decades, and it caused him to to pull out of Afghanistan as his first order of business. But as he is human and flawed, he jumped the gun and probably should've simply waited a couple years until he'd gotten some other things done and had better poll numbers. He was right to withdraw, he just had the timing wrong, and would be in much better shape politically had he decided to wait until 2023 or so. |
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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JD
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 07 2009 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 18446 |
Posted: October 25 2021 at 19:25 | |||
It was his own personal Kobayashi Maru scenario. Leave immediately as per the agreement and have all the issues currently documented in the news or tell the Taliban "FU I'll leave when I'm good and ready" at which point the Taliban would have said " No...FYOU ! and start killing Americans by the truckload for violating the agreement. Damned if you do...Damned if you don't. He made the only decision a responsible leader could in those circumstances. Timing was dictated, execution was his administration's fault. Edited by JD - October 25 2021 at 19:25 |
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Atavachron
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Posted: October 25 2021 at 20:28 | |||
^ He assumed it wouldn't go so badly, that the Taliban wouldn't be so motivated, and the army better informed and mobile. Kirk beat the KM scenario by reprogramming the computer so he'd win. Biden should've done the same by way of clandestine action. And yeah, i think he could've broken the agreement on the grounds that he's the friggin' President.
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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Atavachron
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65248 |
Posted: October 26 2021 at 16:45 | |||
Hey republican PA members: The rioters met with Trump staff on Jan. 5, a day before the attack on the Capitol. You're supporting a party that planned to overthrow the US government. The only thing worse is that most of you are probably saying "Cool !" Do you have any honor or integrity left ? Is this who you really are, is it who you really want to be ? Is it who you've always been, a group of ignorant seditionists? I fear the answer is "Hell yeah, motherf*cker!" Do you really believe Trump won? No. Of course not. You don't
care who won the election, you're just going to try to take it by
force. What a bunch of ignorant assh*les. If you people are so
against democracy you should move to another country. Punk ass bitches. Edited by Atavachron - October 26 2021 at 21:10 |
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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CosmicVibration
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 26 2014 Location: Milky Way Status: Offline Points: 1396 |
Posted: October 31 2021 at 08:33 | |||
Frontline workers were considered heroes at the beginning of this pandemic. Now their careers will be ruined and they will be discarded like garbage. FJB New York State health care workers will no longer have a religious exemption to the state's Covid-19 vaccine mandate after a federal appeals court vacated a temporary injunction Friday. Nearly 16,000 health care employees in New York State have been granted religious exemptions by their employers prior to Friday's court ruling, the state's health department confirmed to CNN Friday night. That's 15,844 employees of hospitals, nursing homes, adult homes, Certified Home Health Agencies (CHHA), Licensed Home Care Service Agencies (LHCSA) and hospice facilities, said Jeffrey Hammond, deputy director of communications for the New York State Department of Health. https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/29/us/ny-state-health-care-workers-religious-exemption-ruling/index.html Edited by CosmicVibration - October 31 2021 at 09:11 |
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CosmicVibration
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 26 2014 Location: Milky Way Status: Offline Points: 1396 |
Posted: October 31 2021 at 08:34 | |||
Joe Biden's approval ratings are worse than every recent president -- except 1 -- at this stage https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/25/politics/joe-biden-donald-trump-gallup-poll/index.html In my book, the snake in the grass slithered all the way down to the bottom. FJB |
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: October 31 2021 at 10:46 | |||
The irony here is these addled folks are claiming some type of "religious exemption" for a medical procedure....and yet they are working in a medical field where vaccinations are a prime deterrent for contagious diseases. Buh-bye. Get new jobs as snake charmers or televangelists hawking healing bleach. Perhaps join the Amish and make furniture. Part 2 of the irony, they seem to ignore the prime directive of their religion - at least alleged Christians - wherein "what you do to the least of my brothers, that you do unto me", or "love thy neighbor as thyself." There's is a selfish take that actually goes against their supposed religious principles. Of course, there is a long history regarding the flexibility of religious principles and the bending and warping of said principles to allow for slavery, persecution and intolerance. Genocide, racism, caste -- one can make religion do just about anything, which makes sense, as religion is a man-made concept. STFU, get vaccinated, or find a job that suits the 2000 year-old precepts of your mythological floating sky deity. A shepherd. Or a stone mason. Maybe a temple guard or subsistence farmer. Or just go full-blown stone age and be a hunter/gatherer. Edited by The Dark Elf - October 31 2021 at 11:18 |
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dr wu23
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20623 |
Posted: October 31 2021 at 10:59 | |||
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BaldJean
Prog Reviewer Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10387 |
Posted: October 31 2021 at 11:07 | |||
apparently the VA GOV elections were already rigged before they even started, or at least VA senator Amanda Chase said so: Edited by BaldJean - October 31 2021 at 11:09 |
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CosmicVibration
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 26 2014 Location: Milky Way Status: Offline Points: 1396 |
Posted: October 31 2021 at 13:03 | |||
Although misplaced, I agree to some of your banter... The company I work for doesn’t consider scientific logic but they accept the irrationality of religion. They didn’t want to consent to my antibody test but they gave me an exemption on the absurdity of religion. I bet most of the health care workers have a more robust immunity towards covid then those that have been vaccinated and weren’t exposed. Why are they being discriminated against? Never mind logic, where is grade school common sense? Edited by CosmicVibration - October 31 2021 at 13:05 |
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Easy Money
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 11 2007 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 10617 |
Posted: October 31 2021 at 13:27 | |||
^ Thats not discrimination, all jobs have requirements and expectations. If you can't meet the jobs expectations, then you are not fit for the job.
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CosmicVibration
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 26 2014 Location: Milky Way Status: Offline Points: 1396 |
Posted: October 31 2021 at 14:28 | |||
All this time I thought you were a smart fella… What is the facade, I mean the purpose, of the proposed vaccines? Those with natural immunity exceed that purpose and therefore, as you put it, are more fit for the job. Recently, a colleague at work that was fully vaccinated contracted covid again. I worked in very close proximity with her. We did not abide by the 6 feet rule and masking bs. I did not get re-infected, and yes I did not comply to the experimental gene therapy mandate. Edited by CosmicVibration - October 31 2021 at 14:29 |
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lazland
Prog Reviewer Joined: October 28 2008 Location: Wales Status: Online Points: 13627 |
Posted: October 31 2021 at 14:48 | |||
I don’t know anything about American employment law, but I do have some experience of British law, having represented members over many years as a union rep, and what John said is, in fact, the epitome of employment law here. It is all about the contract of employment. Unless it can be displaced as discriminatory in some way, the contract of employment put in place does allow an employer to put in place expectations and requirements. That is their right. Fact. The vast majority of cases won by employees over here are not, in fact, regarding the unfairness of the employment contract, but over procedural mistakes made by the employer. A lawyer’s paradise.
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Lewian
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Posted: October 31 2021 at 15:06 | |||
Evidence? Also, if this is what you go by, would you support making vaccination mandatory for those who don't fall into your "most" category?
Edited by Lewian - October 31 2021 at 15:07 |
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: October 31 2021 at 15:11 | |||
Nothing misplaced, except for your inane reply. Your attitude toward your "religious exemption" proves my point. You don't deserve an exemption based on some phony religious excuse, and neither do any of the healthcare workers. There is no "religious" reason to preclude a healthcare worker from a medical mandate for all healthcare workers. Again, if the person is seeking an exemption because their religion forbids it (and I'd love to see the scriptural semantic gymnastics required to pull that out of their god's exalted posterior), they should not be working for a science-based medical institution. They should read Tarot, or draw horoscopes, burn incense or clutch their rosaries rather than rely on medicine.
It's a requirement. For all workers. There is no discrimination. Saying, "God commands that I should get a raise" will not work at their annual job review either, even when quoting scripture. Or quoting Spock's "Live long and prosper" for that matter. And there are scientific studies that show quite clearly you are more likely to spread Covid-19 if you are unvaccinated. You should not be around sick people if you will in all likelihood get them even more ill. Edited by The Dark Elf - October 31 2021 at 15:12 |
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CosmicVibration
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Posted: October 31 2021 at 15:28 | |||
There are at least 80 studies, the largest coming out of Israel that includes over 2 million people. And hell no, I don’t support the mandatory and experimental gene therapy for anyone. US is supposed to be a free society not communist China or North Korea. |
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