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Poll Question: What event made you think it was over?
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    Posted: October 25 2021 at 09:43
Apart from continental Europe, the end of the 70s marked the incremental erosion of progressive rock - simplification for the sake of it.  What event made you think the best is over?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2021 at 10:09
Haha, nice one. I was too young in 1976; I remember that in 1978 I heard Follow Me Follow You on the radio but as it was the first Genesis thing I ever heard, the significance of it passed me by. The Buggles were fun so I didn't mind them uniting with Yes.
I do remember however being already into prog when Asia's first album came out, and how disappointing I found it given the names behind it. So this is how these heroes do things now??
At which time Fripp's new King Crimson were in splendid form.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Grumpyprogfan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2021 at 10:43
The best years of prog have been the last decade. Just took a breather in the 80's. Maybe some prog musicians wanted to make a living from music and wrote more commercial tunes?
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The simple evolution of music, you could even say the progression of music. It may have been more into the 80's than end of the 70's.
Just listen to King Crimson~Discipline from 1981, that has Talking Heads, The Police sounds/influence written all over it. There was so much music genre evolution going on that progressive rock was not able to adjust, or wanted to. Hard rock became more mainstream, punk coming on, metal/thrash/hair metal, just all that stuff becoming more mainstream.....It seems Genesis, Yes, Rush made some adjustments and became more popular with of course Genesis becoming gigantic.
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Maybe all of the above.
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Fripp did not dissolve KC, Giles and McDonald did not want to tour anymore.
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What event made me think it was over?

My death.
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The game was never up, or we wouldn't be where we are now.
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Originally posted by Man With Hat Man With Hat wrote:

Tuesday. 

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I guess you mean which of these put a cap on the golden years of prog, when it enjoyed the most commercial success (which wasn't much but still), had the most important and influential bands and albums come out, and most importantly when said important bands hadn't yet gone pop.

I'd say if Follow You, Follow Me seemed more like a fluke than a new trend, the cover of Love Beach would have to be the moment of realization for someone alive at the time that things were changing.
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None of these because prog is obviously still going. 

Prog never really went away. It just went underground where it stayed for a very long time. You could even argue it still is there. 

I suppose I could vote for one of these but none are really standing out for me. When neo prog came around that was sort of a mutated version of prog so maybe when the first neo prog album appeared. Nothing like that is an option though. The Asia debut might be the closest so maybe I'll vote for that. I'll have to think about it.



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Hi,

I'm not sure that any of these were "it", although they probably helped in some ways.

To me, the best example, was when both Led Zepellin and The Rolling Stones, each got over 100 million in the 70's and the next day, we could tell ... the number of bands that were dropped by many record labels was quite evident and the music suffered.

However, the "import" market in America was now very strong, and it helped keep many bands in the spotlight, until the early 80's when the corporate raiders started buying all the FM stations and removed the individual disk jockey and their unusual choices for music and replaced them with "rock classics" the same kind of merde that folks listen to these days, and think it's the best music, when it wasn't!

I have no dislikes for LZ or RS, and they probably deserved it, but their riches caused a lot of record companies to cut corners, to ensure they could make the money back, and as such they stopped investing in many bands that were not considered good sellers, or just had a niche market, which a lot of the early "progressive" music had.

To me, this carnivorous process is what hurt the most. And it became the time for mememememe and the greed for the money! I think it OK to make money, but I think it NOT OK to be greedy about it!

The good news is that "progressive" is still alive which tells you that many record companies lost their ability to even make themselves some really good money on many bands that went their own way, and left the companies only making nickels for the delivery of the albums! In my book, I really want all of these companies to die off, and allow the artist a chance to make it on their own, not with someone's idea of hits and stealing fame and fortune from many folks.


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The game was up for classic prog around about 1980, but all was not lost, as the birth of the Neo-Prog era was just around the corner. Smile
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There should've been an "Other" option because the thing that made me think that great music was coming to an end during the late '70s was the growing popularity of Reggae on the radio station I listened to.
 

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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

The game was up for classic prog around about 1980, but all was not lost, as the birth of the Neo-Prog era was just around the corner. Smile

80/81 

In 1980 you had Drama by Yes, Permanent Waves by Rush and Duke by Genesis (which still had some very proggy stuff on it).

In 1981 you had Discipline by King Crimson, Moving Pictures by Rush and Nude by Camel.

In 1982 you had Asia's debut and Signals by Rush. I still like these two but they aren't as prog as the others I mentioned in the two years before them. In 1982 you also had the beginnings of neo prog which could be considered a watered down version of prog. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote essexboyinwales Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2021 at 13:09
Good grief, it isn't over! Stronger than ever these days😎

Some of you people need to stop living in the past! 🙄
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote someone_else Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2021 at 13:10
The second Just for Fun-poll disguised as a Prog poll in a few days. But the real game almost up was a matter of zeitgeist: the classic bands fell into decline in 1978 and the momentum of punk/new wave in 1977 was another severe blow.

No vote since one option is sorely missing here: the retirement of left hand of Tony Banks sometime in the early 80's.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JD Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2021 at 13:11
I don't think I ever thought the best was over. I took each and every example you listed above in stride...ok, in disappointed stride. But I can remember exactly where I was and what I felt the first time I saw the Love Beach cover in the record store. It was not a good feeling, although side two kept me from out right crying.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2021 at 13:12
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

The game was up for classic prog around about 1980, but all was not lost, as the birth of the Neo-Prog era was just around the corner. Smile

80/81 

In 1980 you had Drama by Yes, Permanent Waves by Rush and Duke by Genesis (which still had some very proggy stuff on it).

In 1981 you had Discipline by King Crimson, Moving Pictures by Rush and Nude by Camel.

In 1982 you had Asia's debut and Signals by Rush. I still like these two but they aren't as prog as the others I mentioned in the two years before them. In 1982 you also had the beginnings of neo prog which could be considered a watered down version of prog. 

I don't think neo-prog is a watered down version of prog, what IQ, Twelfth Night and Marillion were doing in 1982-1983 was the proof that people still wanted to listen to prog (a bad word back then LOL), they gathered a following, created a scene. No watered down genre can do that. 
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