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    Posted: August 18 2023 at 01:14
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Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

I know Peter Gabriel was revolutionary for its time but it has not aged well.
This comment has not aged well.
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Originally posted by Awesoreno Awesoreno wrote:

Originally posted by Necrotica Necrotica wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

^ disagree with the 'ceased to be progressive', Drama was definitely not a copy and paste exercise in my view . Yes were still pushing even with 90125 but after that it was a bit off the end of a cliff re the progressive thing admittedly.

Agreed.

Honestly, I've always seen Drama/90125 as Yes' version of Genesis' ATTWT/Duke duology. All are transitional records - Drama/ATTWT being pop-oriented prog rock, and 90125/Duke being prog-oriented pop rock.

And then Big Generator is basically their Invisible Touch, minus the massive sales figures LOL
While I hear some pop in Drama, I would hesitate to call it pop rock overall. Certainly not tracks like Into the Lens, White Car, MACHINE MESSIAH, Tempus Fugit...

And that's why I called it pop-inspired prog, rather than the other way around. Hell, Machine Messiah might have just been one of the first prog metal songs ever Smile
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Originally posted by Necrotica Necrotica wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

^ disagree with the 'ceased to be progressive', Drama was definitely not a copy and paste exercise in my view . Yes were still pushing even with 90125 but after that it was a bit off the end of a cliff re the progressive thing admittedly.

Agreed.

Honestly, I've always seen Drama/90125 as Yes' version of Genesis' ATTWT/Duke duology. All are transitional records - Drama/ATTWT being pop-oriented prog rock, and 90125/Duke being prog-oriented pop rock.

And then Big Generator is basically their Invisible Touch, minus the massive sales figures LOL
While I hear some pop in Drama, I would hesitate to call it pop rock overall. Certainly not tracks like Into the Lens, White Car, MACHINE MESSIAH, Tempus Fugit...
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Necrotica Necrotica wrote:

And then Big Generator is basically their Invisible Touch, minus the massive sales figures LOL

I can listen to Big Generator without skipping any songs, but with Invisible Touch it's not the case, at all. Big smile

A better comparison would be Big Generator and We Can't Dance, neither of which I can listen to all the way through. Invisible Touch I can sit through.

I enjoy WCD more than IT, but Big Generator is more enjoyable than both Genesis albums. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Necrotica Necrotica wrote:

And then Big Generator is basically their Invisible Touch, minus the massive sales figures LOL

I can listen to Big Generator without skipping any songs, but with Invisible Touch it's not the case, at all. Big smile

A better comparison would be Big Generator and We Can't Dance, neither of which I can listen to all the way through. Invisible Touch I can sit through.
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Originally posted by Necrotica Necrotica wrote:

And then Big Generator is basically their Invisible Touch, minus the massive sales figures LOL

I can listen to Big Generator without skipping any songs, but with Invisible Touch it's not the case, at all. Big smile
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

^ disagree with the 'ceased to be progressive', Drama was definitely not a copy and paste exercise in my view . Yes were still pushing even with 90125 but after that it was a bit off the end of a cliff re the progressive thing admittedly.

Agreed.

Honestly, I've always seen Drama/90125 as Yes' version of Genesis' ATTWT/Duke duology. All are transitional records - Drama/ATTWT being pop-oriented prog rock, and 90125/Duke being prog-oriented pop rock.

And then Big Generator is basically their Invisible Touch, minus the massive sales figures LOL


Edited by Necrotica - August 17 2023 at 14:09
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

^ disagree with the 'ceased to be progressive', Drama was definitely not a copy and paste exercise in my view . Yes were still pushing even with 90125 but after that it was a bit off the end of a cliff re the progressive thing admittedly.

Fully agree with the above!!!
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^ disagree with the 'ceased to be progressive', Drama was definitely not a copy and paste exercise in my view . Yes were still pushing even with 90125 but after that it was a bit off the end of a cliff re the progressive thing admittedly.
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Gabriel pushed the limits here whereas Yes had ceased to be progressive by 'Drama'.  
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Peter Gabriel III
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gentle bump! Smile
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PG 3
Drama has some good moments but definitely not the Yes I like
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Peter Gabriel: III
Friedrich Nietzsche: "Without music, life would be a mistake."



Music Is Live

Two people are better off than one, for they can help each other succeed.



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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Yes, it has to be Drama, bearing in mind I can't name any of the songs on Peter Gabriel 3. Embarrassed


Not even Biko?

It's very close call for me but I'd probably go for PG.


I would have said, "Not even Games Without Frontiers?"  That is one of my very favourite songs that has been an "in regular rotation" staple of classic rock radio here.  I'm glad Peter Gabriel moved on from Genesis into his "solo" career.

I hugely prefer Melt.  I don't like the classic opening track on Drama, "Machine Messiah", and it doesn't improve for me as the album moves on.  It's due to albums such as this that I don't think of myself as a Prog fan.   I tried to listen through it again, but it is dreadful to these ears.








Paul, you're missing out on one of the great albums of the 1980s. From the song "The Intruder" with the sinister Peter Lorre whistle (from the movie "M", where Lorre is a whistling serial killer) all the way to the anti-apartheid anthem "Biko'' it is a splendid progressive concept album featuring folks like Robert Fripp, Kate Bush, Phil Collins and Tony Levin. 
Saw M the other night on TCM and am curious what classical piece the serial killer was whistling.
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After 2 weeks and 3 pages of responses, the two competitors are almost in a dead heat! I would like to say thank you to everybody who participated - I had no idea the results would turn out like this! I love both albums, but my vote went to Drama for its overall consistency. 
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

I am surprised that Drama got so many votes.

Not I! LOL
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I know Peter Gabriel was revolutionary for its time but it has not aged well. Drama sits better with me today than "melt".
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