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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Hmm, the door to the Dead's inclusion is open just a hair more.
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I think that a couple more of old timers that think "traditionalistically" and then vote in a cheap group with a first album they will never repeat again before turning into pop music ... would have to retire or slow down. TGD may not be here, but the long cuts and the atmosphere they brought to the music itself is such a huge part of "progressive" ... unless of course you got the fanboys that have to have the loud guitar solo (that doesn't even fit in the actual music itself!), and some sort of blue guitar to satisfy a book, and a green drummer to show he can't do anything except keep time, and who thinks that his drumming is what makes the music ... someday, maybe someday ... we will know the difference!


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I'm a Grateful Dead fan too, but I'll more than likely be ungratefully dead before they ever get added to the hallowed halls of Prog Archives. Cry 
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Maybe (just maybe), if you let in Traffic, then you'd have to let in... Cream   
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Originally posted by Heart of the Matter Heart of the Matter wrote:

Maybe (just maybe), if you let in Traffic, then you'd have to let in... Cream   

Traffic are on PA.
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Or Santana, although Santana is more here for Caravanserai than bluesy material like "Hope You're Feeling Better" off Abraxas.  I was listening to that tack the other day after many years and associating it with Cream.  Mind you Wheels of Fire and Abraxas were two of my favourite albums at the same time of my teenage life.
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

... but it's all part of my master plan to get The Shagg's Philosophy of the World in PA.

You certainly have my support in this regard. Thumbs Up

I think it would be cool to have Scott Walker here too, if only for what he accomplished during the latter part of his career.
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Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

... but it's all part of my master plan to get The Shagg's Philosophy of the World in PA.

You certainly have my support in this regard. Thumbs Up

I think it would be cool to have Scott Walker here too, if only for what he accomplished during the latter part of his career.

I had an idea to write a bio for a "true story"* of the Shaggs, how they were actually professionally trained musicians, as well as being anthropologists and sociologists, that enlisted a Nobel prize winning philosopher who was also an acclaimed poet to pen the lyrics.  They set out to make a seemingly primitivist avant-garde album with a deep social message (I doubt many get the allegorical nature of My Pal Foot Foot) as something of a social experiment and performance art.  They hired those young girls to pose as the band, rather like with Milli Vanilli's singers posing as the actual singers to create an image in pop culture.

If The Beatles is here and Zappa did say that The Shaggs is better than The Beatles, and Zappa is an important presence in PA, then surely The Shaggs should be too, to be Frank.  ;)

Scott Walker would be an interesting addition which of course has been discussed before.  I have only heard The Drift and Tilt in full.

* a true story since it's a story that I truly thought of while in the shower one day, which is where I seem to get most of my ideas.  Water on the brain some might say.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Dark Elf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2021 at 11:04
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

... but it's all part of my master plan to get The Shagg's Philosophy of the World in PA.

You certainly have my support in this regard. Thumbs Up

I think it would be cool to have Scott Walker here too, if only for what he accomplished during the latter part of his career.

I had an idea to write a bio for a "true story"* of the Shaggs, how they were actually professionally trained musicians, as well as being anthropologists and sociologists, that enlisted a Nobel prize winning philosopher who was also an acclaimed poet to pen the lyrics.  They set out to make a seemingly primitivist avant-garde album with a deep social message (I doubt many get the allegorical nature of My Pal Foot Foot) as something of a social experiment and performance art.  They hired those young girls to pose as the band, rather like with Milli Vanilli's singers posing as the actual singers to create an image in pop culture.

If The Beatles is here and Zappa did say that The Shaggs is better than The Beatles, and Zappa is an important presence in PA, then surely The Shaggs should be too, to be Frank.  ;)

Scott Walker would be an interesting addition which of course has been discussed before.  I have only heard The Drift and Tilt in full.

* a true story since it's a story that I truly thought of while in the shower one day, which is where I seem to get most of my ideas.  Water on the brain some might say.

Except...it's not a true story. And Zappa never said that about the Beatles either (a misquote by Lester Bangs). My favorite Shagg reference was from a critic who said the Shaggs sounded "like lobotomized Trapp family singers." LOL
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If you all continue like this, I'm going to propose Britney Spears for inclusion on PA... She was really progressive in her pop art. Ermm

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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

If you all continue like this, I'm going to propose Britney Spears for inclusion on PA... She was really progressive in her pop art. Ermm

pop-art? 
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Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

... but it's all part of my master plan to get The Shagg's Philosophy of the World in PA.

You certainly have my support in this regard. Thumbs Up

I think it would be cool to have Scott Walker here too, if only for what he accomplished during the latter part of his career.

I'm working on his bio for a future suggestion submission!

And the Shaggs are great, let's get them in under RIO/Avant or Krautrock LOL
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

... but it's all part of my master plan to get The Shagg's Philosophy of the World in PA.

You certainly have my support in this regard. Thumbs Up

I think it would be cool to have Scott Walker here too, if only for what he accomplished during the latter part of his career.

I had an idea to write a bio for a "true story"* of the Shaggs, how they were actually professionally trained musicians, as well as being anthropologists and sociologists, that enlisted a Nobel prize winning philosopher who was also an acclaimed poet to pen the lyrics.  They set out to make a seemingly primitivist avant-garde album with a deep social message (I doubt many get the allegorical nature of My Pal Foot Foot) as something of a social experiment and performance art.  They hired those young girls to pose as the band, rather like with Milli Vanilli's singers posing as the actual singers to create an image in pop culture.

If The Beatles is here and Zappa did say that The Shaggs is better than The Beatles, and Zappa is an important presence in PA, then surely The Shaggs should be too, to be Frank.  ;)

Scott Walker would be an interesting addition which of course has been discussed before.  I have only heard The Drift and Tilt in full.

* a true story since it's a story that I truly thought of while in the shower one day, which is where I seem to get most of my ideas.  Water on the brain some might say.

Except...it's not a true story. And Zappa never said that about the Beatles either (a misquote by Lester Bangs). My favorite Shagg reference was from a critic who said the Shaggs sounded "like lobotomized Trapp family singers." LOL

It is a true story as it is truly a story in the sense of being an imaginary account from my probably not imaginary brain.  As for the Zappa one, thus the "If..."  Thanks for the info, I had forgotten Lester Bangs (you might have been the one to tell me before when I mentioned that oft quoted Zappa misquote.  And I love that critics quote.

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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

If you all continue like this, I'm going to propose Britney Spears for inclusion on PA... She was really progressive in her pop art. Ermm

Actually, there is probably a damned fine concept album in the utterly ridiculous media storm around her and her father.
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Fan_of_Genesis Fan_of_Genesis wrote:

I think Cream should be added to the Psychedelic sub genre, just because Cream is pretty psychedelic. They were a pretty prevalent ‘60s Psych band, so yeah.

There was really nothing progressive about Cream. Psychedelia and blues-rock. Love Cream, but they weren't prog. Or proto-prog. I would say the Eric Clapton-related band that was more progressive would have been Blind Faith. 

Baker & Bruce hated each other, but they agreed on one thing:

"Cream was a jazz band... but we never told Clapton"


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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Fan_of_Genesis Fan_of_Genesis wrote:

I think Cream should be added to the Psychedelic sub genre, just because Cream is pretty psychedelic. They were a pretty prevalent ‘60s Psych band, so yeah.


There was really nothing progressive about Cream. Psychedelia and blues-rock. Love Cream, but they weren't prog. Or proto-prog. I would say the Eric Clapton-related band that was more progressive would have been Blind Faith. 

Baker & Bruce hated each other, but they agreed on one thing:

"Cream was a jazz band... but we never told Clapton"


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