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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Psychedelic Paul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2021 at 15:33
Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

If you let in Cream, then you'd have to let in _____.

William Shatner!

And Leonard Nimoy too! Smile

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2021 at 15:36
derailed off-topic a second time, or is ir third time already

let's move this to "just for fun" then

or close it... Stern Smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Atavachron Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2021 at 15:39
^ I guess there's not a lot to say because there's not a lot progressive about Cream's music (and as pointed out even less about Clapton solo.)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2021 at 15:44
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

^ I guess there's not a lot to say because there's not a lot progressive about Cream's music (and as pointed out even less about Clapton solo.)

I agree

so either send this thread to "just for fun" for a laugh or two or close it. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote suitkees Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2021 at 15:57
Oh damn, I was already laughing... sorry...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2021 at 17:16
I already moved this to General Music Discussions and would rather not move it again unless I feel it's somehow necessary to the integrity of the site.  If someone else want to, fine, but I suspect this topic will just fall of the page anyway. It was fun to have such quick conversation before.  I couldn't keep up with it, but was on my iPad which made it even harder and by the time I got in with response there would be several messages posted in the meantime.

I wish there was more humour, not less across this site, I sometimes think.   This board is one of the most serious ones I've belonged to. If one wants to get things back on track, one can always try to post things about the topic at hand, respond to posts that are on topic that one finds interesting and share one;s own insights.  Writing something scintillating on topic or controversial can work. ;) I had hoped this might turn into a general Cream appreciation thread.

And by the way, if we add Cream, we might just have to add Korn (creamed corn or garmonbozia as it exists in the Twin Peaks universe).

Oh gosh, I was just looking at images and came across this (too bad I suggested avoiding the politics thing, I would have loved to embed it): https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPVGiJGVoAAijsB.jpg
A little bit of me would like to see Cream in the archives, but it's all part of my master plan to get The Shagg's Philosophy of the World in PA.

Funnily enough, the more I listen to Cream these days, the less I appreciate it and the less progressive it seems, and I used to love this band.  The blues Spoonful live was my favourite. For a bluesy jammy band, I'd sooner have the Grateful Dead in PA (and I don't really support that).  I think there is some case for inclusion, especially due to personnel already in PA, but there's a ton of stuff I'd sooner see in that has a psych and prog relation. 


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Hmm, the door to the Dead's inclusion is open just a hair more.

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Grateful Dead is a worthier candidate than Cream. At least under prog-related. 
Even Toto is worthier than Cream, obviously under prog-related. Big smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote siLLy puPPy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2021 at 18:01
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

I think the problem we have around here is that many consider ALL psychedelic rock prog. Well that's just not the case. Cream was a wonderfully inventive band but they were more proto-metal than prog. Experimental is not prog. Innovative is not prog and even though i love me some Cream, there is nothing that makes them rise to the prog occasion like other proto-prog bands listed on this site.

I'm still waiting for a true proto-prog band like Hard Meat to be evaluated!
I agree that Cream are not prog, or specifically, proto prog. But can't some  experimental music be prog? 


Well of course but experimental and prog are two totally different attributes of music. Some of my favorite music is BOTH prog and experimental but this is prog archives not experimental archives :D


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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Grateful Dead is a worthier candidate than Cream. At least under prog-related. 
Even Toto is worthier than Cream, obviously under prog-related. Big smile

And C.A. Quintet's Trip Thru Hell from 1969 (not in PA that I could find) is more progressive, experimental and interesting to these ears than Cream.


Maybe I'll check and see if it's been suggested.

And maybe we could add Serge Gainsbourg for Histoire de Melody Nelson and Cannabis. ;)  Another I've wanted to formally propose is Matt Berry, and The Rutles for the non-existent "Related to Prog-Related" category.


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^ I love C.A. Quintet's Trip Thru Hell! Haven't heard it in a while but still a personal psych fave from the 60s

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SteveG Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2021 at 18:37
I recall that I once suggested Pet Sounds for proto prog and Dean went balistic, and the Dark Elf called it a surf music album, even though none of the songs were about surfing or Woodies. So PA had changed for the better, in that regard. I wish Cristi would lighten up a little, but overall it's gotten less serious than it used to be, thank God.

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At least Jack Bruce is in, as he should be.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

I wish Cristi would lighten up a little.

I'll let the ridiculous posts and trolling flow next time. 
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

^ That's the spirit! Tongue

my sarcasm didn't come out for you? 
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

I recall that I once suggested Pet Sounds for proto prog and Dean went balistic, and the Dark Elf called it a surf music album, even though none of the songs were about surfing or Woodies. So PA had changed for the better, in that regard. I wish Cristi would lighten up a little, but overall it's gotten less serious than it used to be, thank God.

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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

The Allman Brothers were more progressive than Cream IMO.

yes and no.. but both far more progressive than much of the schlock that passes for fusion on this site IMO.
 

the Allmans were more fully realized in what they attempted to do than Cream I would say... 

the world .. and this site.. are full of fusion bands playing jazz in the rock vernacular

Cream.. and their direct followers.. the Allmans were one of the very few fusion bands to play rock in the jazz vernacular. 
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

The Allman Brothers were more progressive than Cream IMO.

yes and no.. but both far more progressive than much of the schlock that passes for fusion on this site IMO.
 

the Allmans were more fully realized in what they attempted to do than Cream I would say... 

the world .. and this site.. are full of fusion bands playing jazz in the rock vernacular

Cream.. and their direct followers.. the Allmans were one of the very few fusion bands to play rock in the jazz vernacular. 

Hi,

I really do not like "cream" in my morning drink. Maybe a little milk, but in general no. As for that band, it was fun to listen to while it lasted, but "progressive"? Shiver me timbers ... are we that bored that we have to think that everything out there is "progressive"? Get ... I wanna vote for The Cowsills now since I can't vote for The Grateful Dead.
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