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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Having watched many of the superb concerts Barack Obama hosted in the East Room of the White House, I'd say he did more to promote music than any other US president, although he was more of a soul man than a prog rocker. Smile

I would think that Bill Clinton was more progressive, being a big fan of Floyd contributor Dick Parry.

I'm sure Monica Lewinsky was a great admirer of his "Saxuality". Smile
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Are the progressives considered progressive? What time signature is their political stance in, again?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SteveG Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2021 at 11:04
Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

If you go to the Cream wiki and search the term "prog", this is all that comes up:

"In 1968 came the band's third release, Wheels of Fire, which topped the American charts. The album was recorded in a spate of short sessions from July 1967 to June 1968.[citation needed] Still a relative novelty, the double album of two LP records was well-suited to extended solos. The Wheels of Fire studio recordings showcased the band moving away from the blues and more towards a semi-progressive rock style highlighted by odd time signatures and various orchestral instruments."
What orchestral instruments? Confused This review makes them sound like the Moody Blues or Procol Harum! LOL

Not for or against just posting what Wiki says!
Oh, I know. It just sounded like a review of another band. Not the psychedelic blues rockers that were Cream.
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Having watched many of the superb concerts Barack Obama hosted in the East Room of the White House, I'd say he did more to promote music than any other US president, although he was more of a soul man than a prog rocker. Smile

I would think that Bill Clinton was more progressive, being a big fan of Floyd contributor Dick Parry.

I'm sure Monica Lewinsky was a great admirer of his "Saxuality". Smile
It's rumored that he has a big sax.
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^^^ I could make a very rude comment regarding Clinton, Lewinsky and Cream, but like cream, I shall rise above it. ;)

That poor segue,aside, let’s please focus on Cream and related music issues. I tend to enjoy quite a bit of off-topiconess, but I do think we’ve moved in a questionable direction. Let’s try to leave the political stuff out of this thread.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SteveG Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2021 at 11:08
Did Cream ever do a song in 5/8 time? If they did, then they're prog. (According to my neighbor who still lives with his mom.)
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 I like Cream but as most people he have already stated, they are not prog. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Frenetic Zetetic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2021 at 11:12
Guys it says various orchestral moments, that means it's prog and that's inarguable! /s

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I think the problem we have around here is that many consider ALL psychedelic rock prog. Well that's just not the case. Cream was a wonderfully inventive band but they were more proto-metal than prog. Experimental is not prog. Innovative is not prog and even though i love me some Cream, there is nothing that makes them rise to the prog occasion like other proto-prog bands listed on this site.

I'm still waiting for a true proto-prog band like Hard Meat to be evaluated!

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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

I think the problem we have around here is that many consider ALL psychedelic rock prog. Well that's just not the case. Cream was a wonderfully inventive band but they were more proto-metal than prog. Experimental is not prog. Innovative is not prog and even though i love me some Cream, there is nothing that makes them rise to the prog occasion like other proto-prog bands listed on this site.

I'm still waiting for a true proto-prog band like Hard Meat to be evaluated!
I agree that Cream are not prog, or specifically, proto prog. But can't some  experimental music be prog? 
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Did Cream ever do a song in 5/8 time? If they did, then they're prog. (According to my neighbor who still lives with his mom.)


I thinK the answer is yes to the time signature (White Rooom?) and a general no to your neighbour about what constitutes Prog.


Originally posted by Argo2112 Argo2112 wrote:

 I like Cream but as most people he have already stated, they are not prog. 


I’m guessing that you are not Steve’s neighbour, unless you disagree on the time signature assessment. While I would argue that Cream is not Prog, I would argue that it has a relation both in personnel (Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker are in PA, and I always thought of Clapton’s Layla as proggy) but also in terms of music approach.

Edited by Logan - October 01 2021 at 11:29
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^ I would go with Layla being prog. In fact, I use it as an example for people that have never heard songs by Yes, Genesis, etc.
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^ I never knew Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker were on PA, so thanks for the heads-up. Thumbs Up

Maybe it's only A Question Of Time before Eric Clapton is added to PA too, but then again, maybe not. Smile
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The Allman Brothers were more progressive than Cream IMO.

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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

^ I never knew Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker were on PA, so thanks for the heads-up. Thumbs Up

Maybe it's only A Question Of Time before Eric Clapton is added to PA too, but then again, maybe not. Smile

why would Eric Clapton be added? Wacko

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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

The Allman Brothers were more progressive than Cream IMO.

 
 You're probably right about that.
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

^ I never knew Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker were on PA, so thanks for the heads-up. Thumbs Up

Maybe it's only A Question Of Time before Eric Clapton is added to PA too, but then again, maybe not. Smile

why would Eric Clapton be added? Wacko
From memory and knowledge, it's only Eric (alias Derek) of Derek and the Dominos for "Layla" that would be readily considerable.  That said, PA is not the ultimate Prog Rock "song" resource.

I remember reading many years ago that Clapton was at odds with the others in Cream as he wanted to stick with standard blues based music and was not pleased about going in Cream's more experimental direction.  One might say that Clapton was not only not progressive but regressive in terms of the approach he wanted.  I think Jack Bruce was the most progressive minded of them.

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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

^ I never knew Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker were on PA, so thanks for the heads-up. Thumbs Up

Maybe it's only A Question Of Time before Eric Clapton is added to PA too, but then again, maybe not. Smile

why would Eric Clapton be added? Wacko
From memory and knowledge, it's only Eric (alias Derek) of Derek and the Dominos for "Layla" that would be readily considerable.  That said, PA is not the ultimate Prog Rock "song" resource.

I remember reading many years ago that Clapton was at odds with the others in Cream as he wanted to stick with standard blues based music and was not pleased about going in Cream's more experimental direction.  One might say that Clapton was not only not progressive but regressive in terms of the approach he wanted.  I think Jack Bruce was the most progressive minded of them.
Right on the money Greg. It's a shame that Bruce (a decent keyboard player too) never got into the mellotron! He would have been awesome.

Edited by SteveG - October 01 2021 at 11:54
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Re Jack Bruce: Cream never did any songs like this; West, Bruce and Lang "Out into the Fields"



Edited by Easy Money - October 01 2021 at 14:56
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Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

If you let in Cream, then you'd have to let in _____.

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